For civilians like the Rosenbergs they should get the chair, just like they did. For those in the military like the Walkers, They should be Keelhauled on an Aircraft carrier during winter in the North Atlantic!
The OP asked about spies without specifying whether it was a foreign spy or a domestic traitor. The implication is he meant domestic spy/traitor.
Define spy:
Spy: foreign national that detects thru various covert means the ways, means and planned actions of a foreignt country.
Traitor: same as spy except the person is doing it against their own country.
You guys are a tough crowd for sure but then most would probably agree the real crime of the local spy is treason which is different from spying depending on your relation to the country which is spied on. One is a spy the other a traitor.
Historically spies from foreign nations get death. That's just the way it was/is. One has to ask though how is a foreign national that spies on a country any different from a foreign soldier that makes war on a country. Both are doing the job that their county asked them to do. Both are responsible for damaging the other country. Yet the soldier gets a pass whether he kills hundred's of thousands in a bombing raid or is responsible for the death of but a single soldier whereas the spy if captured for reporting the movements of a single ship will/could get death (or maybe traded for a countries own spies that got caught)? Why the difference? Why is the soldier if not honored at least respected while the spy doing what is a much more difficult and usually hazardous job is reviled. Both serve their home nation. Why the different treatment?
Define spy:
Spy: foreign national that detects thru various covert means the ways, means and planned actions of a foreignt country.
Traitor: same as spy except the person is doing it against their own country.
You guys are a tough crowd for sure but then most would probably agree the real crime of the local spy is treason which is different from spying depending on your relation to the country which is spied on. One is a spy the other a traitor.
Historically spies from foreign nations get death. That's just the way it was/is. One has to ask though how is a foreign national that spies on a country any different from a foreign soldier that makes war on a country. Both are doing the job that their county asked them to do. Both are responsible for damaging the other country. Yet the soldier gets a pass whether he kills hundred's of thousands in a bombing raid or is responsible for the death of but a single soldier whereas the spy if captured for reporting the movements of a single ship will/could get death (or maybe traded for a countries own spies that got caught)? Why the difference? Why is the soldier if not honored at least respected while the spy doing what is a much more difficult and usually hazardous job is reviled. Both serve their home nation. Why the different treatment?
I don't want different treatment for either.
In the case of foreign soldier vs. foreign national spy, if a foreign soldier is here causing death and destruction, various government agencies have failed to begin with. If he/she is causing death and destruction against us overseas, then our military is failing to deal with him.
A spy, however, is someone who has slithered like a snake in the grass, earning the trust of those who did their best to know better, but failed to find anything against said spy. Therefore, his/her death should be an example to the countries outside of ours, as well as to other possible spies within, that you will be exposed, and if you do not manage to extract/off yourself after being exposed and before being caught, your death will be painful and drawn out, not quick and merciful. Propaganda, albeit harsh.
My double ought Lincolns.
In the case of foreign soldier vs. foreign national spy, if a foreign soldier is here causing death and destruction, various government agencies have failed to begin with. If he/she is causing death and destruction against us overseas, then our military is failing to deal with him.
A spy, however, is someone who has slithered like a snake in the grass, earning the trust of those who did their best to know better, but failed to find anything against said spy. Therefore, his/her death should be an example to the countries outside of ours, as well as to other possible spies within, that you will be exposed, and if you do not manage to extract/off yourself after being exposed and before being caught, your death will be painful and drawn out, not quick and merciful. Propaganda, albeit harsh.
My double ought Lincolns.
I dont care if its a foriegn soldier or a foriegn spy, they mess with the US= they die. If its a domestic traitor/spy, they die a slow painful death.
I think it is the high value of a spy that makes him a death candidate.
I understand that both a soldier and a spy do their duty for their country and we have to deal with them in an appropriate manner.
The domestic traitor is not an honorable combatant, he is lower than whale$hit, he is the one I hate.
take 'em out whiskey for my men and beer for my horses style
Treason is defined, the problem is figuring out who our "enemies" really are. Some say Israel has acted against us yet they're considered a "friend".
Enemies can be "foreign or domestic", and while we are concerned about China and see veterans and those of certain political/social beliefs labeled
as possible terrorist, (enemies) but ignore other issues that have harmed the country.
What about those who have harmed our economy for their profit
margin? What about the frauds being reported in the banking foreclosure situation, the jobs outsourced, or the huge Medicare fraud recently exposed?
Imagine if illegal immigrants were considered "enemies" and the long list
who some might contend to have given them "aid or comfort". What if violation of an oath was considered a "breach of allegiance" as it used to be?
TREASON
This word imports a betraying, treachery, or breach of allegiance.
The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offense is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/t103.htm
Traitors
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."
~Marcus Tullius Cicero
Enemies can be "foreign or domestic", and while we are concerned about China and see veterans and those of certain political/social beliefs labeled
as possible terrorist, (enemies) but ignore other issues that have harmed the country.
What about those who have harmed our economy for their profit
margin? What about the frauds being reported in the banking foreclosure situation, the jobs outsourced, or the huge Medicare fraud recently exposed?
Imagine if illegal immigrants were considered "enemies" and the long list
who some might contend to have given them "aid or comfort". What if violation of an oath was considered a "breach of allegiance" as it used to be?
TREASON
This word imports a betraying, treachery, or breach of allegiance.
The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offense is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/t103.htm
Traitors
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."
~Marcus Tullius Cicero
I voted death. But if they're not gonna do that...... then I'd say they should be branded! With an upper case "T" in middle of their forehead!
We almost all agree that the bastards should die. Probably an OSA first that so many agree.
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