I'll try and not let that happen again.
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I'll try and not let that happen again.
I'm talking about losing gun rights, and not in the short-term. What will the landscape look like in 50 or 100 years. What do we need to do now to protect the future of gun rights? We need a strategy that will be successful long-term, which will require different thinking than one focused on the short-term.How so? Look at the compliance of the magazine restrictions in CT, NY and the new one in CA. You will find complete non-compliance with those laws (statistically speaking), I don't think a single magazine was surrendered to authorities through the amnesty period in CA. What's being harmed?
Again, I'm referring to the long-term. And I'm not saying gun restrictions are inevitable. I'm saying some kind of change is inevitable, and I hope we can address the problem outside of gun control (e.g., social issues, mental health, etc.).The recent voting down of additional gun restrictions contradicts your premise that additional restrictions are inevitable, YukonGlocker. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/senate-gop-votes-terrorist-gun-bill-article-1.2454448
Looking at the larger picture, politicians are impotent to reduce gun crime by restricting access to guns. Three hundred million guns in private hands negate the impact of even totally outlawing the sale of new guns.
Lots of pro 2A gun facts can be found at http://americangunfacts.com/
How do you propose we address the underlying social issues? And you've already noted that some of those disproportionally affect black people more than white people, so that needs to be in the plan (unless, of course, ethnicity really doesn't matter).I'm not "stuck" on anything but the numbers. If the numbers are correct, then so be it.
You started this thread with numbers, I'm just adding to it.
I absolutely believe the social issues should be addressed, but not by a commie idiot like Sanders.
Let's start with LBJ, and work our way through history to correctly address the social issues that have put this country where it's at today.
How do you propose we address the underlying social issues? And you've already noted that some of those disproportionally affect black people more than white people, so that needs to be in the plan (unless, of course, ethnicity really doesn't matter).
I disagree.There is no addressing the underlying social issues...
No need to be a sorry. I appreciate your opinion, even if we disagree....Sorry to be a downer...
I think they are already unsustainable....Things will have to become unsustainable and come crashing down before anything will change substantially...
I disagree.
No need to be a sorry. I appreciate your opinion, even if we disagree.
I think they are already unsustainable.
Until honesty becomes more important than political correctness, NOTHING will change. Not for the better, anyways.
I'm talking about losing gun rights, and not in the short-term. What will the landscape look like in 50 or 100 years. What do we need to do now to protect the future of gun rights? We need a strategy that will be successful long-term, which will require different thinking than one focused on the short-term.
When you slowly bleed your gun rights with those accorded to us by the Constitution of the United States of America, you end up with none.
Again, I'm referring to the long-term. And I'm not saying gun restrictions are inevitable. I'm saying some kind of change is inevitable, and I hope we can address the problem outside of gun control (e.g., social issues, mental health, etc.).
The Constitution of the United States of America did not take into account any social issues. It clearly says....shall not be infringed. Social issues are not addressed, nor should they be. Discussions outside of these few words are what the liberals want, so as to erode the 2nd amendment.
The 2nd Amendment relies on the citizens of the United States of America to defend it. Foreign or Domestic.
Countless Americans of ALL ethnicities have died protecting it. The social issues of today are only the descendant of those instituted in the 60's that forced the break-up of the American Family unit by a certain political class so they can use them to further their agenda's of social slaves that rely on handouts and freebees.
How do you propose we address the underlying social issues? And you've already noted that some of those disproportionally affect black people more than white people, so that needs to be in the plan (unless, of course, ethnicity really doesn't matter).
There is no addressing the underlying social issues. Sorry to be a downer, but the bottom line is, it's not acceptable to point out the emperor's new clothes in America today. Things will have to become unsustainable and come crashing down before anything will change substantially. It just won't happen. People WILL NOT honestly address the issues of lack of personal responsibility and will continue to blame anything and everything BUT that.
Until honesty becomes more important than political correctness, NOTHING will change. Not for the better, anyways.
I'm with Dennis - the US has been "addressing social issues" since at least 1965 with metric-tons of $$$ and it has been to no effect. Chicago data are simply a microcosm of what can be observed with the naked eyeball in nearly any urban metro area in the country. Teachers can tell story upon story of repeatedly and unsuccessfully trying to get the unwilling to learn and find improvement in their circumstances through education. The numbers are clearly running the wrong direction for those who simply want to live life in their homes, raise a family in secure surroundings, and achieve some level of financial success. It's really no different from what the Founding Fathers expressed in the Declaration of Independence when they stated that the King was getting in the way of the people of the colonies realizing their goals in the New World. Today, the King/authorities propose to limit the freedom of the law-abiding in order to control those they've not been able to control through other methods. Most of us on this website are saying that dog don't hunt!
I'm not "stuck" on anything but the numbers. If the numbers are correct, then so be it.
You started this thread with numbers, I'm just adding to it.
I absolutely believe the social issues should be addressed, but not by a commie idiot like Sanders.
Let's start with LBJ, and work our way through history to correctly address the social issues that have put this country where it's at today.
All it takes is the Supreme Court to re-interpret the 2nd Amendment, and we're fu!cked, no matter what it means to you. We need a different strategy.
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