Schumer Shutdown: Dems want shutdown to protect illegals!

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You know most of you are focusing on the illegals. What people are not thinking about our economy. Our economy has been doing amazing lately and the tax cut made it even better. As companies are rewarding employees the Republican Party is gaining votes. Democrats had to stop the bleeding of moderate middle class voters to the Republican Party. Racism, BLM's police violence, gay marriage, Me Too IRA movement, global warming, and DACA is not working because middle class voters voted for Trump because of the economy. Get the government to stop injecting money into our economy, our economy will constrict, the boom in the stock market will slow, companies wont make as much money, with a result of higher unemployment, lower pay, and middle class voters blaming republicans for not delivering on promises. Dems will be able to say, see tax cuts don't work, it was temporary improvement in our economy. Middle class voters move back to the Democratic Party, the Democrats will gain seats in congress later this year. The only thing Democrats need to do is scare investors way from investing by causing a constriction in the market.
 

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Not necessarily. Once the debt is authorized, it can't be canceled, but it may not actually get paid.

See that word "including"? It means ANY debt authorized cannot be cancelled, not even a debt incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion - - - ANY debt authorized. Want to know why the national debt keeps rising? Even though it can't be cancelled, there is no mandate in the Constitution that it has to be paid off.

Wouldn't you just love to have a credit account that you never had to pay off? This section of the Fourteenth Amendment must be repealed (along with the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Amendments) if we are ever to have a secure, debt free, and prosperous country.

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has this interpretation ever been tested in the supreme court?
 
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To my understanding, the only ones who are eligible for back pay are those up are essential/forced to actually continue to work during any furlough. If you aren’t essential then you don’t get paid, you can’t work to add to “comp” time or be on any form of paid leave.
I retired from federal service in 2004 and went through all the government shutdowns up to that date and was considered both essential and non-essential during different shutdowns. I was given the option if non-essential of not working or working and possibly getting paid. We always got back paid even if we didn't work (I always stayed and worked). Did they change the rules after 2004, I doubt it.
 

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I retired from federal service in 2004 and went through all the government shutdowns up to that date and was considered both essential and non-essential during different shutdowns. I was given the option if non-essential of not working or working and possibly getting paid. We always got back paid even if we didn't work (I always stayed and worked). Did they change the rules after 2004, I doubt it.

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/furlough-guidance/guidance-for-shutdown-furloughs.pdf

From what I've read in here (parts C and D mostly), yes it has changed. Workers that are not excepted cannot volunteer to work, and not be on any paid leave.
 

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Trying to blame this situation on the Democrats is laughable and desperate. Yes, Schumer is a slimy piece of you-know-what and is using what little bargaining power he has to keep things from progressing this past week but we never should've been here in the first place. He should've been made irrelevant many months ago. Ryan and McConnell are just as slimy as he is. McConnell has taken the definition of inept and bumbling to a new level. He couldn't deal his way out of wet paper bag.

The Republicans had full control of the Executive and Legislative branches of government since 20 Jan 17, one year ago. Work should've begun on the FY18 budget and appropriations shortly after the victory celebrations. FY18 Started on 1 October 2017, with no long term appropriations in place. Now here we are, 4 months into the fiscal year, approaching the time when work on the FY19 appropriations should be getting ready to start, still *****ing and fighting over FY18.

A key part of being a leader is taking responsibility when things don't go well, not pointing fingers.

I suspect you don’t quite appreciate the complexities of this situation:

First, the Democrats have been operating as a solid, unified block since the Pelosi years in the House.

Second, there’s a Senatorial Caveat (this time since 1975) that to End Debate a 60% Majority for Closure is required before a Bill can move to a Vote. This has repeatedly caused impasse, inefficiency and deadlock.

Third, the Democratic Party strategy in this situation is to hold as much of our Government Hostage in the hope of delivering as many as 4M currently Illegal Aliens into their Constituency with the DACA Plan. Despite the rhetoric, there is nothing altruistic in their motivation; its purely a grab for power.

Full Control of the Legislature by the Republicans under these circumstances is an illusion. Even without the Closure Rule, RINOs like McCain, Corker and Flake are disloyal to the Republican Party and trying to appease a mixed constituency of Liberals along with their own traditionally loyal supporters. So, with a small apparent majority (even including the vote of the President pro tempore), this numerical advantage has rarely proved functional.

Democratic Strategists and the Party Leadership know that the inclusion of another 2-4 million votes in support of their agenda to end freedom and democracy will be decisive in future elections thus manifesting their long awaited dream for a Socialist State tightly controlled through Cultural Marxism. They are not going to give up this fight.

So, this stalemate is not due to ineffective leadership by our President, House and Senate Leaders, or even the grabasstic lack of cooperation and coordination among Republicans, but to the effective employment of Senate Rules by the Democrats who march on command and in unison in good faith on the command of their Party Leadership to advance an agenda the consequences of which they don’t even recognize.....


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