Media misrepresents Heartland Outdoors

[Fyrtwuck]

are you serious, so you think heartland outdoors who has said they are for open carry should fire a guy with 30 plus LEO experience because of his views on open carry, when he carries himself.... that is the only solution according to you, either they lose your (and other peoples) business or they fire a guy because of a personal view to gain your business..... you people on here make an emotional woman on menopause look calm compared to the emotionally driven responses i see here...

also how many businesses that you go to a daily basis have every single employee pro OC.... ZERO, so everyone here should not shop anywhere

Yep, I'm serious. As a retired LEO myself with 25 years of service, I totally disagree with what the guy said and I have the right to go elsewhere if I want to. If his boss wants to fire him, thats up to him. I never said anything about firing anyone.

From the sounds of things, he sounds like one of those officers who think ONLY officers should be able to carry.

As far as boycotting businesses that don't allow carry on their premises, isn't there a thread on this board somewhere in the CCW section just for that purpose?

 

[338Shooter]

Well said FireCop. Businesses suffer all the time from stupid stuff their employees do. If I was the owner, he wouldn't have been allowed on TV PERIOD.

 

[NikatKimber]

Well said FireCop. Businesses suffer all the time from stupid stuff their employees do. If I was the owner, he wouldn't have been allowed on TV PERIOD.

I would assume that the owner had no idea his employee was representing them. Maybe not...

 

[338Shooter]

I would assume that the owner had no idea his employee was representing them. Maybe not...

If that was the case.....YOU'RE FIRED.

If the owner new what was going on. I couldn't help but not spend any money there as well. I don't care if that was the dude's personal opinion or not. He was in the store representing the store in my eyes.

 

[1shot(bob)]

Personally, I am opposed to open carry in every instance. However, I do think there are some circumstances where open carry could be justified and acceptable. You can open carry when hunting with a rifle or shotgun. Why not it be acceptable when actually hunting with a hand gun?

However, that is where I would draw the line. I also think that training and certification [read this, as in requiring a permit] is a must. My reasons are mostly political. We exist in some state of political balance when it comes to gun laws and CCW laws. What I mean by balance is that there are lines that either side of these issue generate great political heat. And political heat generates potential political changes in the current status quo.

So you don't necessarily agree that the 2A was meant to protect the rights of every citizen, even the stupid ones?

You eliminate the requirement for a permit and you open the door for those with legitimate concerns for the nut cases being able to "much easier" gain access to weapons. I will admit that in the current state of our society, I simply don't want any and every Tom, Dick and Harry toting a handgun. There are just to many nutcases out there that give them a gun and they pop a cork and we have a huge mess on our hands.

How in the world could we make it any easier to get a gun other than passing them out on the street to passers-by? It's far too easy to get a gun right now but there is simply no way to change that (I don't know if I would even if I could). If you have an idea how I'd be glad to listen though.
Who gets to decide which Tom Dick and Harry gets to carry?

Anyone that thinks that won't stir the anti-gun ownership crowd into a frenzy simply isn't dealing with a full deck. Why do we want to allow something that has the potential to dramatically increase the anti-gun political heat?

I couldn't care less what this does 'politically'. The antis don't need a reason or facts. They have emotion and that's all they need.

On the issue of training, I think it is a very good idea as well. While the current training might be next to worthless, maybe what we need to do is look for ways to improve it instead of doing away with it.

I am 69 years old. I have been hunting/fishing since I was 6/7 years old. I have always had guns. I grew up in a gun-club family. We stocked the Panhandle with pheasants and quail back in the late 40s and 50s. I always promoted setting aside a small acreage for pheasant to safely live and hatch each and every year. All my friends, neighbors and family were hunters. We were all gun people and hunters.

You go back to where I grew up and it is a different place today. Currently I live in OKC and most of my neighbors, I would not want to be close to them when someone put a gun in their hands. They have to clue about gun safety. People in these metropolitan areas are mostly clueless when it comes to guns and gun safety.

And these people will probably never carry a gun anyway.

Why would anyone want to create an atmosphere where people with no gun knowledge, no gun expertise and certainly not gun safe could get a weapon this morning with no background checks and start open carrying this afternoon.

The founding fathers did, and so do I. Is that really bad what they did way back then?

You put open carrying in the hands of the masses with no checks and balances and we are in big political trouble in a big hurry.

You do what some propose and you start losing people like myself in your gun rights campaigns. I support the NRA and other gun rights groups. You start putting the untrained and nutcases on the streets with guns and you lose me and all the others like me.

So, sometimes we need to hope we don't get exactly what we ask for.

Are you even with me in my gun rights campaign? It sure doesn't sound like it. My campaign is to get the government to honor the 2A. You sound like you're willing to allow common sense gun laws, so we are definitely not in the same campaign. (read my sig line)

 

[NikatKimber]

If that was the case.....YOU'RE FIRED.

If the owner new what was going on. I couldn't help but not spend any money there as well. I don't care if that was the dude's personal opinion or not. He was in the store representing the store in my eyes.

This I would agree with. However, I would at least give them the benefit of going in and asking the owner personally before boycotting them.

All we are going on right now is speculation as to whether that interview was done with the knowledge of the owners.

 

[benjamin-benjamin]

Yep, I'm serious. As a retired LEO myself with 25 years of service, I totally disagree with what the guy said and I have the right to go elsewhere if I want to. If his boss wants to fire him, thats up to him. I never said anything about firing anyone.

From the sounds of things, he sounds like one of those officers who think ONLY officers should be able to carry.

As far as boycotting businesses that don't allow carry on their premises, isn't there a thread on this board somewhere in the CCW section just for that purpose?

well guess you need to start a new thread where everyone asks the opinions of all the employees of every business to see if anyone opposes OC and then boycott them... you wouldn't have anybody left to do business with....

 

[Burk Cornelius]

WOW! this thread has turned into a Heartland bashing thread. I wonder if any of you who are bashing them or threatening to boycott (like anyone cares if you boycott) have ever even been to Heartand or ever talked to them about ANYTHING much less something of actual significance?

I guess everyone got tired of bashing H&H so they found the next newest gun shop.

I think Heartland is one of the best operated local shops around. There are many but they rank right up with the best. Keep up the good work guys.


Burk

 

[aryfrosty]

I dont see why if you are scared to open carry (first one to be shot and all) you want me to be forced to conceal my weapon. What does it matter to you how I carry?

It doesn't matter to me how you express your rights. But if I see you walk in carrying openly where I am don't get warped if you notice that I am walking as far from you as the environment allows and taking my family and friends with me. I have seen bad things happen and I want no part of you. Has nothing to do with rights in my view. It has everything to do with common sense and experience to me. I got shot by a store burglar in 1980 and if you want to call me scared because you have no experience then feel free.

 

[benjamin-benjamin]

WOW! this thread has turned into a Heartland bashing thread. I wonder if any of you who are bashing them or threatening to boycott (like anyone cares if you boycott) have ever even been to Heartand or ever talked to them about ANYTHING much less something of actual significance?

I guess everyone got tired of bashing H&H so they found the next newest gun shop.

I think Heartland is one of the best operated local shops around. There are many but they rank right up with the best. Keep up the good work guys.


Burk

whoa be careful, calm logical thinking and gathering the facts is not welcome here....