Coburn getting ready to sell us out..!

[skyhigh60699]

I just called his office in DC and voiced my opposition to Universal Background Checks. Here is the number in case anyone else wants to call 1-202-224-5754.

 

[ttownokie]

The background check already registers who is buying what guns, you don't think they have a database of all this information!? One step closer to putting yourself on another government watch list, so they can take your guns away at a later date on some beaucracy BS, american need to wake up and stop letting the freedoms erode steadily and surely until you live in a sheese hole like the united kingdom.

 

[Model 70]

The kicker here is that people in government believe they are the good guys and do not understand the wisdom of the founders mistrust of government.

We need term limits, This is a greater part of the problem, but not to derail this thread please.

 

[Fredkrueger100]

I just got off the phone with Coburn's office and I talked to the guy that answered the phone for a little bit and voiced my opposition to UBC, AWB, and high cap mag ban and he said that Dr. Coburn is opposed to the AWB, and high capacity magazine ban but was talking with other senators about extending background checks to keep guns out of the wrong hands. He said that he just wanted to let me know that part. So basically he IS in favor of UBC and will vote yes if the time comes. This really ticks me off. He also told me that Coburn does not want a national registry and I said that is what the UBC will lead to and he said that what he is discussing does not involve registration. Not very happy at the moment.

 

[ttownokie]

I just got off the phone with Coburn's office and I talked to the guy that answered the phone for a little bit and voiced my opposition to UBC, AWB, and high cap mag ban and he said that Dr. Coburn is opposed to the AWB, and high capacity magazine ban but was talking with other senators about extending background checks to keep guns out of the wrong hands. He said that he just wanted to let me know that part. So basically he IS in favor of UBC and will vote yes if the time comes. This really ticks me off. He also told me that Coburn does not want a national registry and I said that is what the UBC will lead to and he said that what he is
discussing does not involve registration. Not very happy at the moment.

Well i disagree on the notion that a previous felon can not own arms, it is a natural right, is a person serves their time and is released as a free man, he then has the right to guns again. Coburn wants to prevent any felon from acquiring a gun. We are all just one congressional vote away from being labeled felons (AWB), majority of felons are not violent offenders. Coburn does not understand the second amendment if he thinks all gun transactions should be tracked and licensed by the government, thought he was smarter than this!

 

[338Shooter]

How does the federal government have authority to involve themselves in intrastate private party property transfers?

 

[Dale00]

Dr. Coburn is opposed to the AWB, and high capacity magazine ban but was talking with other senators about extending background checks to keep guns out of the wrong hands. He said that he just wanted to let me know that part. So basically he IS in favor of UBC and will vote yes if the time comes.

This is good info. Contacts with Coburn need to focus on reasons why extended background checks are a bad idea. For instance:

Senator, I understand you are in favor of expanded background checks for firearm transfers.

To support expanded government checks on firearms transfers is to be blind to the possibility of a future tyrannical government. You are a physician and should understand the principle of "First, do no harm." Extending background checks harms the ability of the Second Amendment to protect us from a future out-of-control government, by increasing the likelihood of registration. Please change your course.

Expanding background checks is a feel-good solution that will not keep guns out the hands of the dangerous. It will only cause them to obtain guns in other ways or seek other methods of killing. Once extended checks are imposed and more mass killings occur, there will be an outcry for registration. It will be claimed that background checks were not enough and we must register every gun to prevent private undocumented transfers. With registration in place the Second Amendment and freedom will die as guns are taxed, penalized or confiscated out of the hands of citizens. And you will have been partially responsible. Please change your course.

Please step out of your role as a Senator and into the shoes of the founders. They recognized the tension that exists between citizens and their government. They recognized that power corrupts and governments cannot be trusted to regulate themselves to avoid abuses of power. They recognized that an armed citizenry is necessary as a doomsday defense against tyranny. We cannot compromise that defense by taking steps that lead towards registration. We need you to fully understand the importance of the Second Amendment and avoiding all erosion of it. Please change your course and get back in tune with the foundations of our liberty. Do not sell us out.

 

[Dale00]

This GOA Alert just issued:

Is Senator Coburn Cutting a “Deal with the Devil”?
Urge the Senator to break off talks
with Democrat Senators Schumer & Manchin

As you know, the President and his minions have declared war on our gun rights in recent weeks. But incredibly, Oklahoma's Tom Coburn appears to be working out a “compromise” gun control agreement with some prominent Democrat Senators.

According to KRMG.org on January 25, Coburn said “he will work with Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W. Virginia) and Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-New York) to help craft stronger laws.” (Emphasis added.)

KRMG’s website also quotes Coburn as saying: “I think there's lots of good things that can happen in terms of mental health screening and checks. Everybody ... if you transfer your car, you have to have a license to transfer, it has to go through that, that's a responsibility of freedom. I have no problems with us making sure that we don't allow guns to get in the hands of either felons, or people who are a danger to themselves or other people.

“I'm willing to work with Manchin and Schumer on that, and going to,” Coburn said.

There are several problems with Senator Coburn’s statements -- not the least of which is that Americans DO NOT go through background checks to drive a car. We don’t require breathalyzer checks before people get into their cars even though drunk drivers kill more than 30 times more people than “assault rifles” do. Nor do we require background checks on clubs and hammers, which also kill more often than “assault rifles.”

Here are five reasons why expanding our current system of background checks would be a HORRIBLE idea to implement:

Violation of Rights. The principle that no American can own a firearm without getting the go-ahead from the government is offensive to Americans.

Ineffective. One of the nation’s leading anti-gun medical publications, the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), found that the Brady law has failed to reduce murder rates. In August 2000, JAMA reported that states implementing waiting periods and background checks did “not [experience] reductions in homicide rates or overall suicide rates.” And to be sure, Universal background checks would not have stopped Adam Lanza (who stole his guns), or James Holmes or Jared Loughner (who passed background checks).

Overreaching. The NICS list currently contains the names of more than 150,000 law-abiding veterans who didn’t do anything wrong (but honorably served their country and then sought counseling for their wartime experiences) -- and could soon contain tens of millions of names of Medicare patients with Medicaid patients with post partem depression, IDEA students with ADHD, and soldiers, police, and firemen with PTSD.

Framework for confiscation. Anyone who doesn’t believe a national gun registry leads to national gun confiscation should consider the confidential memorandum advocating confiscation and circulated by New York Democrats prior to their most recent round of New York gun control.

Hypocritical. Remember Fast & Furious? The Obama Administration knowingly approved (via background checks) the sales of thousands of guns to the Mexican Cartel in order to justify calls for greater gun control here at home. As a result, several hundred Mexicans have been killed -- not to mention at least one U.S. federal agent. Considering the administration’s malfeasance on guns, can we really trust the administration to protect the privacy of gun owners?

Not only are there good policy reasons to OPPOSE any expansion of the background check system, there are good political reasons as well. And this is something that Joe Manchin and Chuck Schumer understand. If Barack Obama emerged from this battle with Coburn-Schumer legislation which allows him to "declare victory" over the gun lobby (just as Obama is currently "declaring victory" over House Speaker Boehner in connection with the fiscal cliff), it will have far-reaching ramifications.

The Brady Campaign, rather than existing as a demoralized movement right now, would be able to paint itself as having "destroyed the gun lobby." Their membership rolls will swell, and they will be an important part of the coalition to insure that a pro-gun nominee does not go to the White House in 2016.

Finally, as with the 1968 gun ban, the 1986 auto ban, the 1986 bullet ban, the plastic gun ban, the toy gun ban, the 1994 semi-auto ban, the 1994 Brady Law, the 1996 domestic misdemeanor ban, the 1996 school gun ban, and the 2007 veterans disarmament ban, the new gun ban will do nothing about horrific violence, but, instead, will merely be a platform for the next set of demands, issued immediately after the next incident of horrific media-generated copycat violence.

ACTION: Please click here to contact Senator Tom Coburn right away and urge him to BREAK OFF TALKS IMMEDIATELY with Senator Chuck Schumer.

You will need to cut and paste into Sen Coburn's contact form:http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/?p=ContactForm

 

[HiPower]

Then the current background check system is unenforceable too.
If a dealer sells a gun without a BC the feds don't find out until the gun shows up in a crime.
It's the same thing.

To illustrate:

I bought a gun today at soonerstatepawn and I filled out the 4473 and they kept that and I went home with my gun.
If I had bought that gun off of you we would have met up at soonerstatepawn and one of us would have paid the 10 dollar fee and I would have filled out the 4473 which they would have kept and you and I would have conducted a deal.
I don't really see the difference between me buying the gun from them or buying it from you except I pay an extra 10 dollars for the service from SSP.

What am I missing?

You're too ready to believe in the benevolence of our government. If you think the names that are phoned in to NICS just vanish into thin air, you're dreaming.

 

[abajaj11]

You're too ready to believe in the benevolence of our government. If you think the names that are phoned in to NICS just vanish into thin air, you're dreaming.

If they are caught with the names, they will go to jail...for a long time.
as long as it is illegal they cannot use those names, even if someone is keeping the names. I doubt if they are, actually.
AFAIK, Holder's BATFE is keeping the names of those denied , but not the names of those who pass.
They would love to of course, and are just waiting with bated breath for an executive order from dear leader.
That will come if universal background checks pass.