Oklahoma ban on gay marriage ruled unconstitutional

[inactive]

There was never a need to amend the Oklahoma Constitution to ban gay marriage. It's already in there in Section I-2.

Along with poligamy, plural marriage is forbidden. Plural, as you know, means more than one of the same kind.

This was done in 1909, has not been challenged, and still stands.

Woody

That's a pretty broad definition of the world plural there; I'm not sure monogamous same sex marriage was prohibited within that statement. It's never been challenged in you context, because your context is entirely irrelevant to the meaning of the word plural.

 

[rebel-son]

You can't imagine how this feels. Even if a person is truly noble of heart and mind. This is a good young man, not stereotypical. That is the only reason I have not disowned her. He is a good black guy trying to make it by the white man's rules - he dresses and acts white, my take on it is that he mostly grew up with white kids. The fault lies with me. I am trying to accept this, but honestly - I'd rather her be gay than do this.

This is probably going to shock a few people who read my posts, but I will say if he is a good guy there should not be an issue. Sounds like he is a decent black man instead of something else. Heck I would rather my child marry someone of another race than a communist liberal of the same race.

Now if he is an Obamanite then you have problems.

 

[rebel-son]

I have not read the decision, so if Cards81fan is correct, that we are talking about contractual recognition, or civil unions, I have less of a problem with it. Though, it really should be decided by the voters, not the court. And, we seen that recognition of civil unions is generally not enough to put the issue to bed, so to speak....

On any issue with liberals you give an inch they push for a mile and civil unions leading to gay marriage is a prime example. I remind people of this anytime they talk about negotiating on our gun rights.

 

[rebel-son]

All this judges ruling tells me is to continue my plans to survive the collapse.

Keep your blades sharp and powder dry.

 

[rebel-son]

Marriage did not originate as a religious rite for the church. The Christianity and the church came along long after marriage.



It depends on which group. Some groups are anti-equality and wish to form another protected class that has a different set of laws applied. Other groups are pro-equality and want the government to butt out by not imposing limitations on who can marry whom at the government level.



True supporters of equality believe that no one should be able to force any other entity to perform an act contrary to their personal beliefs. If a group thinks that churches should be forced to perform same-sex marriages or that a business should be forced to produce a wedding cake for a gay couple, that group is anti-equality.



Both the court and the law were wrong. The court was wrong because the ruling violates the baker's Constitutional freedom of religion and speech. The court was also wrong because it failed to apply the supremacy cause to resolve the conflict. The Colorado law is wrong because it created more inequality by creating a new protected class.



The gist of the decision is that the provision in the state's constitution violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution. The application is essentially the same as the Utah case in the same Tenth Circuit. After the Utah case, it was pretty much a given that Oklahoma would have the provision struck down due to courts within the same circuit being bound on precedent when the facts of the cases are substantially similar. In both cases, a stay is in place, meaning that the ruling does not take effect unless upheld on appeal.



To those who agree with Mary Fallin, James Lankford, et al. expressing "disgust" for the court "ignoring the will of the people", who is to protect the minority voice? Would you have the same reaction if the People of Oklahoma voted to amend the state constitution to prohibit certain firearms (similar to California) and a judge overturned it?

Its funny to me how the Republican Party sounds like true Democrats right now.

But the decent, Christian people of Oklahoma would not vote that way on guns. So the point is moot. SOme people want to keep the state decent.

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"True supporters of equality believe that no one should be able to force any other entity to perform an act contrary to their personal beliefs. If a group thinks that churches should be forced to perform same-sex marriages or that a business should be forced to produce a wedding cake for a gay couple, that group is anti-equality."

If that is the case, and I think it should be that way, then every single group supporting gay rights is not in favor of equality. Maybe if they were not so far in people's face gays would get more support. I will say I am not as against gay marriage as I once was. I do think its a state issue as I have a real issue with what they think is ok in CA being ok in OK

 

[rebel-son]

You all seem to forget that you're particular god/gods/beliefs are not the beliefs of others, and just as you wouldn't want an alternative lifestyle forced upon you, the religious right in turn should not force their alternative lifestyle on others.

I would not call the religious right alternative because of the fact there are lots more of us than the 5% or so of the population that is gay.

If someone eats pepperoni on pizza and someone else eats it with mayonnaise and tunafish on it which is normal and abnormal as a whole?

It is different strokes for different folks, but don't tell me lots of people eat their pizza that way

 

[rebel-son]

Im gay. Im a dad. Im married to a woman. I eat little blue pills. I get a testosterone shot every 2 weeks. I dont even have all the genitals i was born with. My boobs are larger than they once were. Sometimes I cry.

I served in the military when gays couldnt. I served under dont as dont tell. I even told.

Both of my daughters are bi-racial. One daughter even dated a black guy then dumped him for a Puerto rican fella. My oldest daughter was born in spain, shes a citizen of spain.

Ive dated black girls too, even other races. Ive been in the sack with a guy...a couple of times in fact. Ill spare you the details but it was fun. Ive showered naked with guys. Ive compared wankys a few times. Only lost once. So im kinda a champion as well.

I have a huge collection of guns and cookbooks. Sometimes I grow flowers.

Im cool with my sexuality, im cool with who I am. No closet for me.

If ya wanna know anything else just ask.

Can you talk to more people like you about telling the champions who support them to leave our guns alone? My biggest issue with gays is it seems they are supported by all the groups grabbing our guns.

How can you be gay and married to a woman or are you bisexual?

You like guns though so you are probably alright. I am sure if what you said is accurate it took courage on the forum.

 

[donner]

On any issue with liberals you give an inch they push for a mile and civil unions leading to gay marriage is a prime example.

Or they were just fighting for recognition of a right that never should have been infringed in the first place...

 

[rebel-son]

As a Christian I am struggling with this. I have to keep telling myself, In the end God will judge me for who I am/was and really that is all I should care about.

But You know what. If two 18+ year olds no matter sex, race, or relationship want to marry have at it. That is true equality, right? I think in that respect polygamy should be allowed also. Why should marriage be reserved for just 2 people. If we are going to allow one other thing we HAVE to allow everything.

The reason they don't allow polygamy is

There are not enough polygamists to vote for democrats. If they were as plentiful as gays and those who support them we would see just as much action on polygamy. I do believe if gay marriage is ok that is really hypocritical to say polygamy is not ok and I don't agree with either. to each their own. My issue is when people try to say its normal. If it were there would be many more gays.

 

[Capo]

I keep being reminded of the civil rights movement every time this argument comes up. We have got to quit worrying about our feelings about someone else, and just live our own lives. Interracial marriage was illegal, "unnatural", and "disgusting" at one time. Seems that didn't end the world either.