This is ISIS. Should we send our kids back there?

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Even though Uncle Joe Biden is a raving lunatic, I always thought he was right when he suggested Iraq be carved up...
It really would've helped if the damned Eurotrash colonial powers hadn't drawn arbitrary borders that forced three traditional enemies together. But somehow this mess is all our fault...
 

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Even though Uncle Joe Biden is a raving lunatic, I always thought he was right when he suggested Iraq be carved up...

That sounds well and good, but the Turks were VERY opposed to a separate Kurd state until recently. That made any chance of that deal a non starter.
I still think the major problem with any sort of partition of "state" is the fact that those boundaries are considered arbitrary to many, if not most, Arabs. Take Syria for instance. There is a pretty big difference between the Syria we see on a map and what that part of the world considers greater Syria. This is a function of the inherent tribalism in that entire region of the world. I know you already know this, Im just making conversation here.
By not defining the enemy, indeed being shamed by political correctness to deny the definition of the enemy, we are left with simply calling it the "Iraqi war" or the "Afghanistan war". Not only is this dangerously simplistic on a military level, it reinforces the notion that winning entails merely defeating a country. When that blows up in our faces because the people in charge have accepted the false premise to begin with, we end up with what we have now.
Like I said, you already know all this, Im just thinking out loud.
 

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That sounds well and good, but the Turks were VERY opposed to a separate Kurd state until recently. That made any chance of that deal a non starter.
I still think the major problem with any sort of partition of "state" is the fact that those boundaries are considered arbitrary to many, if not most, Arabs. Take Syria for instance. There is a pretty big difference between the Syria we see on a map and what that part of the world considers greater Syria. This is a function of the inherent tribalism in that entire region of the world. I know you already know this, Im just making conversation here.
By not defining the enemy, indeed being shamed by political correctness to deny the definition of the enemy, we are left with simply calling it the "Iraqi war" or the "Afghanistan war". Not only is this dangerously simplistic on a military level, it reinforces the notion that winning entails merely defeating a country. When that blows up in our faces because the people in charge have accepted the false premise to begin with, we end up with what we have now.
Like I said, you already know all this, Im just thinking out loud.

Your correct. Im reminded of our Indian wars. As if all Indians resisted or are one tribe. Its the same when we lump muslims or Arabs together as one thing. Sunni and Shi'a may be the 2 dominate tribes but there are many others in that area.
 

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Your correct. Im reminded of our Indian wars. As if all Indians resisted or are one tribe. Its the same when we lump muslims or Arabs together as one thing. Sunni and Shi'a may be the 2 dominate tribes but there are many others in that area.

I agree with your take on the Indian wars but it was my understanding the Sunni Shiite situation is more like the schism between the eastern(Orthodox) and west (Catholic) church more so than being tribal, anyone know for sure?
 

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It amazes me that this ISIS frenzy is giving us more coverage than when we had boots on ground.

Theres another War happening in Afghanistan that isnt getting any coverage.
 

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It amazes me that this ISIS frenzy is giving us more coverage than when we had boots on ground.

Theres another War happening in Afghanistan that isnt getting any coverage.

I remember at the start of one of these wars we were told reporters would be embedded with our forces so as to keep the public informed on what was going on, that transparency thing.
 

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It amazes me that this ISIS frenzy is giving us more coverage than when we had boots on ground.

Theres another War happening in Afghanistan that isnt getting any coverage.

ISIS is facing an Iraqi army 100x larger than itself. Iranians have helped to stop them in Baquba, 37 miles out of Bahgdad. Slowly, inexorably, Al Maliki will recapture village after village, city after city. Vengeance and reprisals will be fearful. The Iraqis are only now beginning to get a handle on their air assets. ISIS has no air. Don't bet on ISIS. They have crested, and will slowly recede back into Syria.
 

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No doubt, this decision is at least partially motivated by the recent success of ISIS...wouldn't be a bad idea to have a Kurd buffer between them and Turkey. The Kurds run a fairly tight ship!

It's fair to say there's something special about the Kurds or the Turks would have handled them by now.
 

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ISIS is facing an Iraqi army 100x larger than itself. Iranians have helped to stop them in Baquba, 37 miles out of Bahgdad. Slowly, inexorably, Al Maliki will recapture village after village, city after city. Vengeance and reprisals will be fearful. The Iraqis are only now beginning to get a handle on their air assets. ISIS has no air. Don't bet on ISIS. They have crested, and will slowly recede back into Syria.

Maybe. I really think ISIS came from Egypt and the Arab spring thing. Im not a translater, but Mubakaks name was repeated thru out several executions. And those speeches used Mubaraks name several times as well.

And whats with tearing up the little books. Wonder what book that was?
 

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