Did the Supreme Court put a time frame on their ruling? If not, Fallin should decree that, in accordance with the Supreme Court's ruling, the monument will be removed...
...1000 years from now.
Fallin Says 10 Commandments Will Stay Regardless of Courts Decision
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Did the Supreme Court put a time frame on their ruling? If not, Fallin should decree that, in accordance with the Supreme Court's ruling, the monument will be removed...
...1000 years from now.
I think what is happening is that the atheist are hoping it gets taken down before the ruling gets appealed to a higher court. The Supreme Court has already ruled that a similar one in Texas is legal.
1) it's not only atheists against the monument
2) why would they care, they can just wait for the next person to come along and drive a car into it.
Next thing you know people will be wanting to take down the christian flag flying above the police station.
To be fair, the .gov has has been doing that for years.
This was based on the Oklahoma Constitution, not the US Constitution. The Oklahoma Constitution is more strict.
I propose a compromise: move the monument to Fallin's bedroom.
Someone wants a flying spaghetti monster too.
An Open Letter to Okla. Attorney General Scott Pruitt on the Ten Commandments
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There is not a single legal principle that is either unique or original to the Ten Commandments that significantly influenced American law.
First, let's identify which set of Ten Commandments that were allegedly part of our foundation. Is it the set in Exodus 20 or Exodus 34? Or perhaps it's the sets in Deuteronomy 5 or Deuteronomy 27? For the sake of argument, I'll assume it's the set on the Oklahoma capitol lawn.
This is a big assumption because, as anyone who's familiar with the bible will realize, the wording on the capitol monument is heavily edited. The monument's precepts appear to come from Exodus 20, but apparently the original version was too barbaric (or perhaps the monument authors simply know better than god.) Either way, the monument strays heavily from the original.
For instance, the monument leaves out some integral language from the second commandmentthe prohibition on graven images. The original includes, "for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation..." Please tell me, Mr. Pruitt, is punishing innocent children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren for the crimes of their parents what you meant by "foundation of Western law?"
If not, then perhaps you were referring to the implicit blessing of that most holy institution, slavery, which is referenced in both the fourth and tenth commandments (but is again omitted from or altered on this monument)? The tenth commandment also treats women as property, lumping them in with cattle and slaves, something the monument authors did not think worth changing.
Punishing innocent children, blessing slavery, denigrating womenas Oklahoma's highest law enforcement officer you ought to be saying "good riddance" to the bad rubbish this monument represents, not promising to repeal part of Oklahoma's law.
Surely you can't mean that the first four commandments, which have nothing to do with morality and actually prohibit the free exercise of religion, are the basis of western law? Nor could you mean that prohibitions on covetingcommandments 9 and 10 on the monumentare the foundation of western law because they amount to criminalizing thought. And as you must know, freedom of thought is protected absolutely under our First Amendment.
The process of elimination tells me that you must be referring to the prohibitions on murder, theft, lying, and adultery. But these commandments are not original or unique to Judeo-Christianity. These are universal, human principles that virtually every successful society has implemented. Even the Ten Commandments were not telling the Israelites something new. Surely you aren't contending that the chosen people thought murder, theft, and lying perfectly acceptable before a burning bush told them otherwise?
If you are arguing that your particular brand of religion is responsible for the universal prohibitions of these rather obvious wrongs, then your religiously motivated arrogance has gotten the better of you.
Which of the Ten Commandments are, as you claimed, the basis of Western law? I eagerly await your response.
- See more at: http://ffrf.org/news/blog/item/2319...-on-the-ten-commandments#sthash.B7xNDtH0.dpuf
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There is not a single legal principle that is either unique or original to the Ten Commandments that significantly influenced American law.
First, let's identify which set of Ten Commandments that were allegedly part of our foundation. Is it the set in Exodus 20 or Exodus 34? Or perhaps it's the sets in Deuteronomy 5 or Deuteronomy 27? For the sake of argument, I'll assume it's the set on the Oklahoma capitol lawn.
This is a big assumption because, as anyone who's familiar with the bible will realize, the wording on the capitol monument is heavily edited. The monument's precepts appear to come from Exodus 20, but apparently the original version was too barbaric (or perhaps the monument authors simply know better than god.) Either way, the monument strays heavily from the original.
For instance, the monument leaves out some integral language from the second commandmentthe prohibition on graven images. The original includes, "for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation..." Please tell me, Mr. Pruitt, is punishing innocent children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren for the crimes of their parents what you meant by "foundation of Western law?"
If not, then perhaps you were referring to the implicit blessing of that most holy institution, slavery, which is referenced in both the fourth and tenth commandments (but is again omitted from or altered on this monument)? The tenth commandment also treats women as property, lumping them in with cattle and slaves, something the monument authors did not think worth changing.
Punishing innocent children, blessing slavery, denigrating womenas Oklahoma's highest law enforcement officer you ought to be saying "good riddance" to the bad rubbish this monument represents, not promising to repeal part of Oklahoma's law.
Surely you can't mean that the first four commandments, which have nothing to do with morality and actually prohibit the free exercise of religion, are the basis of western law? Nor could you mean that prohibitions on covetingcommandments 9 and 10 on the monumentare the foundation of western law because they amount to criminalizing thought. And as you must know, freedom of thought is protected absolutely under our First Amendment.
The process of elimination tells me that you must be referring to the prohibitions on murder, theft, lying, and adultery. But these commandments are not original or unique to Judeo-Christianity. These are universal, human principles that virtually every successful society has implemented. Even the Ten Commandments were not telling the Israelites something new. Surely you aren't contending that the chosen people thought murder, theft, and lying perfectly acceptable before a burning bush told them otherwise?
If you are arguing that your particular brand of religion is responsible for the universal prohibitions of these rather obvious wrongs, then your religiously motivated arrogance has gotten the better of you.
Which of the Ten Commandments are, as you claimed, the basis of Western law? I eagerly await your response.
- See more at: http://ffrf.org/news/blog/item/2319...-on-the-ten-commandments#sthash.B7xNDtH0.dpuf
I'd wager nothing is, or ever will be hard in there so that's a good call.
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