Open carrying AR15 at Tulsa Gathering Place

[O4L]

Actually, since its a closed event, they have the right to deny access to it. If you are found to be carrying they can deny you access or ask you to leave if found within the festival. That is the difference between the NMF and Oktoberfest.

That may be what they told you, and I'm not surprised by that, but from what I understand that isn't what the law states.

 

[JD8]

And didn't the alcohol thing get addressed at some point too? I'm thinking that you can now carry in an establishment that serves, you just can't be one being served?

It was my understanding that you can't go into a place where the majority of sales is alcohol? Rather the primary purpose of Oktoberfest is alcohol sales?

https://osbi.ok.gov/sites/g/files/gmc476/f/documents/sda_law_book.pdf

TITLE 21 § 1272.1 Pg 22

 

[O4L]

If the majority of sales at Octoberfest is alcohol then I would think no one under 21 years old would be permitted to enter.

 

[JD8]

If the majority of sales at Octoberfest is alcohol then I would think no one under 21 years old would be permitted to enter.

Well, some restaurants have over a 50% liquor mix and allow under 21. But the law says the "primary purpose" and to me it would be hard to argue that the purpose of Oktoberfest wasn't to drink beer.

 

[SMS]

Actually, since its a closed event, they have the right to deny access to it. If you are found to be carrying they can deny you access or ask you to leave if found within the festival. That is the difference between the NMF and Oktoberfest.

There is nothing in current or pending verbiage of 1277 that defines events as “open” or “closed” and ties that status to the ability to restrict carry.

The only confusion there has ever been was if parks and fairgrounds that were operated by public trusts fell under the specific protection of parks and fairgrounds. It has always been expressly written that no entity in charge of parks and fairgrounds, even under lease for an event, can restrict carry.

That’s why 2010 came about. It clarifies that a park is a park and a fairground is a fairground, regardless of who the city hands it over to.

 

[inactive]

Actually, since its a closed event, they have the right to deny access to it. If you are found to be carrying they can deny you access or ask you to leave if found within the festival. That is the difference between the NMF and Oktoberfest.

There is nothing in current or pending verbiage of 1277 that defines events as “open” or “closed” and ties that status to the ability to restrict carry.

The only confusion there has ever been was if parks and fairgrounds that were operated by public trusts fell under the specific protection of parks and fairgrounds. It has always been expressly written that no entity in charge of parks and fairgrounds, even under lease for an event, can restrict carry.

That’s why 2010 came about. It clarifies that a park is a park and a fairground is a fairground, regardless of who the city hands it over to.

Bingo SMS.

Since Oktoberfest on Riverparks land and is operated by Tulsa Oktoberfest Inc (a 501(c)3 non-profit entity), they can't prohibit concealed handgun carry (going forward). The statute language changes in HB 2010 are very clear on this.

 

[inactive]

And yes, the retired officers are still on as reserve officers and still have their CLEET status.

Thanks for confirming.

 

[inactive]

Well, some restaurants have over a 50% liquor mix and allow under 21. But the law says the "primary purpose" and to me it would be hard to argue that the purpose of Oktoberfest wasn't to drink beer.

You and I know why most people go to Oktoberfest, but I think Tulsa Oktoberfest Inc doesn't actually meet that criteria any more or less than the state fair (or say Applebees, or any other brew pub for that matter). It's not actually a bar.

Side note: I'm not sure how the SDA works with liquor laws being changed and low point beer not actually existing. Seems the language they reference is obsolete.

 

[tRidiot]

They don't care what the law says. This is Oklahoma.

 

[JD8]

You and I know why most people go to Oktoberfest, but I think Tulsa Oktoberfest Inc doesn't actually meet that criteria any more or less than the state fair (or say Applebees, or any other brew pub for that matter). It's not actually a bar.

Side note: I'm not sure how the SDA works with liquor laws being changed and low point beer not actually existing. Seems the language they reference is obsolete.

I don't see how low point beer would have anything to do with it, previously you had two licenses, a low point beer, and an alcohol license. One is just gone now. I wouldn't think their "ride" and food sales would eclipse their beer sales, so their "intended purpose" is quite different than any restaurant/pub/bar we describe. IMO.