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Jcann

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We all love to sit here typing away blaming God for the deaths of our loved ones due to suicide. I’ve lost two family members to suicide. My sister was living with me after her husband committed suicide. She was visiting our dad when she took a 22 rifle out of his house and ended her life at the Methodist Road exit off I 40.

Her pain and suffering became mine. I had failed her, I was the brother responsible for taking care of my sisters. Sleep evaded me and joy was a distant memory. My dad, a tough old farmer was a shell of himself. It was his 22 she had used. My entire life I had never seen him cry and now, every time I saw him he would cry.

I found myself trying to comfort my dad and writing hateful letters to my deceased sister ( this was part of my healing process) In time my dad was able to live with his grief and I was able to forgive my sister and reconcile my faith in God through his word. We blame Him for all the pain and suffering witnessed every day. Be it natural disasters, wars, or suicide. It’s Gods fault, He could have stopped it. God has given us free will to choose but that free will always chooses sin, it’s our nature. It’s not who we are, it’s what we are. We are sinners through the headship of Adam yet through the headship of Christ we are redeemed through Him unto God. Ephesians 2:1-10 says, And you were dead in the trespasses and sins [2] in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—[3] among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. [4] But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, [5] even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—[6] and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, [7] so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. [8] For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, [9] not a result of works, so that no one may boast. [10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
 
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Ending your own life because you can’t see a way out isn’t at all the same thing as ending it because there is no way out.

My dad chose hospice over chemotherapy, which, I suppose, is technically a form of suicide, but if he’d chosen to end it on a date certain instead of just waiting for it to happen, I think I would’ve been as ok with that as with going the natural hospice route. My dad was always athletic and spent a lot of time outdoors, and even as a heart patient in his 70s, he could still outwork me by a long shot, so, as much as I selfishly wanted to keep him around for as long as possible, I know those last few weeks when he was bedridden were akin to torture for him (not to mention the constant pain), and I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy, let alone my dad.

While there is breath there is hope, but you’ve got to do what’s best for you. Just don’t spring it on your loved ones in the form of an LEO knocking on their door or calling them on the phone. Make sure you‘re up front about it.

And definitely look into hospice. Those hospice nurses and nursing assistants are as close as you’ll find to angels in this earth.

…and no, if you’re a Christian, I don’t believe that you’ll go to hell for committing suicide.
 

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I really can't answer all of your questions, Saddlebum, and I certainly don't know you well enough to make any judgements. Besides, Christ will be the one that judges, not any of us.

However, keep this scripture in mind. It is one that keeps me from feeling any positiveness as to my future. While I know that the Bible mentions that there is only one unforgivable sin, that being speaking against the Holy Spirit (Matthew 12: 32), but I do also know that man can fall from grace. We are to remain faithful.

Matthew 7: 20-22

"20 Therefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?"

With that scripture in mind, would anyone want to take any chances?

I think you have been given some good advice here, especially so with the idea of hospice care. We were fortunate that hospice care was available for both of my wife's parents.
 

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When we accept Christ as our Savior we are forgiven of all our sins, past present and future, we become a member of the family of God, nothing changes that. Being born again doesn't make us perfect, it makes us forgiven.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

As to suicide, life is life, whether it is your life or someone elses life, if taking that life is murder it is a sin.
 

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I believe that there is one and only one ultimate (unforgivable) sin that will keep a person out of heaven is:
What is the "Unforgivable Sin"? -
Here are Jesus’ words:

“I promise you that any of the sinful things you say or do can be forgiven, no matter how terrible those things are. But if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you can never be forgiven. That sin will be held against you forever.” — Mark 3:28-29 (CEV)
 

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Ending your own life because you can’t see a way out isn’t at all the same thing as ending it because there is no way out.

My dad chose hospice over chemotherapy, which, I suppose, is technically a form of suicide, but if he’d chosen to end it on a date certain instead of just waiting for it to happen, I think I would’ve been as ok with that as with going the natural hospice route. My dad was always athletic and spent a lot of time outdoors, and even as a heart patient in his 70s, he could still outwork me by a long shot, so, as much as I selfishly wanted to keep him around for as long as possible, I know those last few weeks when he was bedridden were akin to torture for him (not to mention the constant pain), and I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy, let alone my dad.

While there is breath there is hope, but you’ve got to do what’s best for you. Just don’t spring it on your loved ones in the form of an LEO knocking on their door or calling them on the phone. Make sure you‘re up front about it.

And definitely look into hospice. Those hospice nurses and nursing assistants are as close as you’ll find to angels in this earth.

…and no, if you’re a Christian, I don’t believe that you’ll go to hell for committing suicide.
That first paragraph!!! Its not the same!
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The suicide of best friends - same but different!

Two best friends for 37 yrs, since 8th grade. One finds the other slumped over his steering wheel after a young wife dallies and dallies and strings him on for a full year suggesting maybe just maybe she’ll not shatter his little family. He finds his best friend with a 44 size hole in his heart. Severe depression had set in quick and for nine months taken a hold you could visibly see. No sleep, 40 lbs lost. Ability to concentrate broken. But that best friend had told him, as he floundered every day on the job, hardly a quarter of his old self, as they managed to keep their two-man concrete partnership afloat, “we’ll get through this”.

He found him and he flipped out with anger. But 12 years later, he put a .357 to his own heart, same as Brother Matt did. But by then we’d floundered though a year of ALS. In that year of incalculably precious time with a man now ’my’ dearest friend, he told me more than once, “I understand your brother now”.

Until my sons were grown I never loved two men in this world more than I loved both those men. One was like a father-figure, brother and best friend rolled into one. The other I’d known since I was six and we’d adopted each other, after the first passing, shared a lot of grief, knew each others lives all the way back to childhood. We had a little more than a decade of hunting, shooting, building houses for our families not eight miles apart.

Though both suffered in their own way, the blow was as different for each loss as night and day. Brother Matt mistakenly believed the dark hole of depression would never lift… and worse, he believed everyone would be better off without him. The irony was that Brother Matt was the absolute favorite of three brothers, our mother, our father; we all just knew that about each other. And he had two young children.

So, one was wrong; depression that severe would likely lift, eventually. And we were not better off without him! The other knew with certainty what ALS came down to. He’d seen something similar in his mother and three of his six siblings. And he was the kind of old-school hard-nosed man who wasn’t gonna suffer an indignity like those he’d witnessed, not when he had a choice.

Man was the impact ever two worlds apart!
 

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