Ryan Walters is freaking the HE double chopsticks out of the libs
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Oh for crying out loud . . .
If you're losing a PR war from within, how can you claim they don't drive the education train in Oklahoma? If conservative educators hold more power and clout, why are you losing the fight?
I believe pretty much all the metro schools and more than a few of the OKC/Tulsa burbs are run by liberals. When you compare the percentage of students that covers, it isn't insignificant. I also believe they are a significant contributor to our out of whack ratios, but with 537 school districts in just 77 counties, the rural districts aren't without fault. I do think we need to spend more per student, but money isn't everything. Let's delve into some stats:
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| Education facts |
| State superintendent: Cade Brumley |
| Number of students: 710,903 |
| Number of teachers: 46,493 |
| Teacher/pupil ratio: 1:15 |
| Number of school districts: 80 |
| Number of schools: 1,407 |
| Graduation rate: 73.5% |
| Per-pupil spending: $10,490 |
|
| Education facts |
| State superintendent: Johnny Key |
| Number of students: 486,157 |
| Number of teachers: 34,131 |
| Teacher/pupil ratio: 1:14 |
| Number of school districts: 269 |
| Number of schools: 1,102 |
| Graduation rate: 84.9% |
| Per-pupil spending: $9,394 |
|
| Education facts |
| State superintendent: Margie Vandeven |
| Number of students: 917,900 |
| Number of teachers: 66,248 |
| Teacher/pupil ratio: 1:14 |
| Number of school districts: 226 |
| Number of schools: 2,406 |
| Graduation rate: 85.7% |
| Per-pupil spending: $9,597 |
|
| Education facts |
| State superintendent: Randy Watson |
| Number of students: 489,043 |
| Number of teachers: 41,243 |
| Teacher/pupil ratio: 1:12 |
| Number of school districts: 309 |
| Number of schools: 1,351 |
| Graduation rate: 85.7% |
| Per-pupil spending: $9,828 |
|
| Education facts |
| State superintendent: Mike Morath |
| Number of students: 5,077,659 |
| Number of teachers: 327,357 |
| Teacher/pupil ratio: 1:16 |
| Number of school districts: 1,035 |
| Number of schools: 8,731 |
| Graduation rate: 88% |
| Per-pupil spending: $8,299 |
|
| Education facts |
| State superintendent: Kurt Steinhaus |
| Number of students: 338,220 |
| Number of teachers: 22,201 |
| Teacher/pupil ratio: 1:15 |
| Number of school districts: 89 |
| Number of schools: 877 |
| Graduation rate: 70.3% |
| Per-pupil spending: $9,012 |
|
| Education facts |
| State superintendent: Katy Anthes |
| Number of students: 863,561 |
| Number of teachers: 48,922 |
| Teacher/pupil ratio: 1:18 |
| Number of school districts: 181 |
| Number of schools: 1,825 |
| Graduation rate: 76.9% |
| Per-pupil spending: $8,647 |
|
| Education facts |
| State superintendent: Joy Hofmeister |
| Number of students: 673,483 |
| Number of teachers: 41,775 |
| Teacher/pupil ratio: 1:16 |
| Number of school districts: 537 |
| Number of schools: 1,784 |
| Graduation rate: 84.8% |
| Per-pupil spending: $7,672 |
So out of 8 states in the region, we rank last in spending per student across a $2,818 spread. Yet our graduation rate ranks in the middle at 5th, and within 0.1% of 4th place. We only spend $627 less per student than first ranked Texas, which has a 3.3% higher graduation rate. Oddly enough, Louisiana ranks 1st in spending per student, but next to last in graduation rate.
Our teacher/pupil ratio ties for 6th place with Texas at 1:16, which again has the highest graduation rate on the list. Yet Kansas ranked 1st with a 1:12 student ratio, but their graduation rate is only 0.9% better than ours and 2.3% worse than Texas.
So neither spending nor teacher student ratios guarantee success (all other things being equal perhaps). What does stand out as different? Well the one thing that Oklahoma stands out on is the number of students per district. Oklahoma ranks first (or last depending on how you view it) at 1,254 students per district. The average is 3,884 students per district.
One thing we haven't discussed yet is teacher salary. We've all heard that Oklahoma can't compete in the region, especially against Texas. OK...
Average Teacher Salary Per State:
CO - $54,935 105.3 (34)
TX - $54,121 92.1 (15)
OK - $52,397 87.9 (3)
KS - 51,082 86.5 (2)
LA - $50,288 93.0 (16)
MO - $50,019 89.8 (7)
AR - $49,348 90.9 (7)
NM - 47,826 91.0 (12)
Average - $51,252 92.06 (14.8)
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/teacher-pay-by-state
Just so we're comparing apples to apples, the numbers to the right of each salary is the cost of living index and ranking of each state.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/cost-of-living-index-by-state
So I think we can all agree that teacher pay in Oklahoma shouldn't be an issue, right? At least not anymore?
So are teachers in Oklahoma really that unhappy? Or just the liberal ones? Well the same source as above has that ranking by state too. It's not entirely driven by salary either. So here's where we rank:
NM - 2
LA - 13
KS - 17
OK - 20
MO - 31
AR - 34
CO - 39
TX - 40
Average - 24.5
So all this wailing and gnashing of teeth about the state of education on Oklahoma? The Lady doth protest too much, methinks. If you want better public education in Oklahoma, I'd say put some skin in the game and offer to consolidate districts in exchange for more spending per student, And perhaps public education would get more community support if they spent less time complaining about Oklahoma. Maybe all those conservative teachers and administrators, should encourage the most liberal among their ranks to find greener pastures beyond our state lines?
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Look at the number of school districts compared to Oklahoma. Like I said earlier, we have too darn many.If you're losing a PR war from within, how can you claim they don't drive the education train in Oklahoma? If conservative educators hold more power and clout, why are you losing the fight?
I believe pretty much all the metro schools and more than a few of the OKC/Tulsa burbs are run by liberals. When you compare the percentage of students that covers, it isn't insignificant. I also believe they are a significant contributor to our out of whack ratios, but with 537 school districts in just 77 counties, the rural districts aren't without fault. I do think we need to spend more per student, but money isn't everything. Let's delve into some stats:
Education facts State superintendent:
Cade BrumleyNumber of students:
710,903Number of teachers:
46,493Teacher/pupil ratio:
1:15Number of school districts:
80Number of schools:
1,407Graduation rate:
73.5%Per-pupil spending:
$10,490
Education facts State superintendent:
Johnny KeyNumber of students:
486,157Number of teachers:
34,131Teacher/pupil ratio:
1:14Number of school districts:
269Number of schools:
1,102Graduation rate:
84.9%Per-pupil spending:
$9,394
Education facts State superintendent:
Margie VandevenNumber of students:
917,900Number of teachers:
66,248Teacher/pupil ratio:
1:14Number of school districts:
226Number of schools:
2,406Graduation rate:
85.7%Per-pupil spending:
$9,597
Education facts State superintendent:
Randy WatsonNumber of students:
489,043Number of teachers:
41,243Teacher/pupil ratio:
1:12Number of school districts:
309Number of schools:
1,351Graduation rate:
85.7%Per-pupil spending:
$9,828
Education facts State superintendent:
Mike MorathNumber of students:
5,077,659Number of teachers:
327,357Teacher/pupil ratio:
1:16Number of school districts:
1,035Number of schools:
8,731Graduation rate:
88%Per-pupil spending:
$8,299
Education facts State superintendent:
Kurt SteinhausNumber of students:
338,220Number of teachers:
22,201Teacher/pupil ratio:
1:15Number of school districts:
89Number of schools:
877Graduation rate:
70.3%Per-pupil spending:
$9,012
Education facts State superintendent:
Katy AnthesNumber of students:
863,561Number of teachers:
48,922Teacher/pupil ratio:
1:18Number of school districts:
181Number of schools:
1,825Graduation rate:
76.9%Per-pupil spending:
$8,647
Education facts State superintendent:
Joy HofmeisterNumber of students:
673,483Number of teachers:
41,775Teacher/pupil ratio:
1:16Number of school districts:
537Number of schools:
1,784Graduation rate:
84.8%Per-pupil spending:
$7,672
So out of 8 states in the region, we rank last in spending per student across a $2,818 spread. Yet our graduation rate ranks in the middle at 5th, and within 0.1% of 4th place. We only spend $627 less per student than first ranked Texas, which has a 3.3% higher graduation rate. Oddly enough, Louisiana ranks 1st in spending per student, but next to last in graduation rate.
Our teacher/pupil ratio ties for 6th place with Texas at 1:16, which again has the highest graduation rate on the list. Yet Kansas ranked 1st with a 1:12 student ratio, but their graduation rate is only 0.9% better than ours and 2.3% worse than Texas.
So neither spending nor teacher student ratios guarantee success (all other things being equal perhaps). What does stand out as different? Well the one thing that Oklahoma stands out on is the number of students per district. Oklahoma ranks first (or last depending on how you view it) at 1,254 students per district. The average is 3,884 students per district.
One thing we haven't discussed yet is teacher salary. We've all heard that Oklahoma can't compete in the region, especially against Texas. OK...
Average Teacher Salary Per State:
CO - $54,935 105.3 (34)
TX - $54,121 92.1 (15)
OK - $52,397 87.9 (3)
KS - 51,082 86.5 (2)
LA - $50,288 93.0 (16)
MO - $50,019 89.8 (7)
AR - $49,348 90.9 (7)
NM - 47,826 91.0 (12)
Average - $51,252 92.06 (14.8)
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/teacher-pay-by-state
Just so we're comparing apples to apples, the numbers to the right of each salary is the cost of living index and ranking of each state.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/cost-of-living-index-by-state
So I think we can all agree that teacher pay in Oklahoma shouldn't be an issue, right? At least not anymore?
So are teachers in Oklahoma really that unhappy? Or just the liberal ones? Well the same source as above has that ranking by state too. It's not entirely driven by salary either. So here's where we rank:
NM - 2
LA - 13
KS - 17
OK - 20
MO - 31
AR - 34
CO - 39
TX - 40
Average - 24.5
So all this wailing and gnashing of teeth about the state of education on Oklahoma? The Lady doth protest too much, methinks. If you want better public education in Oklahoma, I'd say put some skin in the game and offer to consolidate districts in exchange for more spending per student, And perhaps public education would get more community support if they spent less time complaining about Oklahoma. Maybe all those conservative teachers and administrators, should encourage the most liberal among their ranks to find greener pastures beyond our state lines?
This post makes more sense when I look at your avatar lol
You are seriously out of the educational loop as far as what students walk down the halls in our state's high schools. There are MAGA walking along with the Hillary voters along with the libertarians to be. Only they don't dislike each other as much as adults do, that's what college achieves for some of them sadly.I feel that the adults/parents are to blame for the anti American rhetoric that we see on this thread and forum, and in those kids as they get older. More so than colleges.This post makes more sense when I look at your avatar lol
Those adults/parents got it from somewhere though. This has been going on in the universities for decades, but it's really, really ramped up since 2008.......cough (obama) cough...
I’m pretty sure the OP, and others on this thread who share his sentiments, were kids well before Obama was even considering being in office.
“
**** you liberal ****s. Like you have given a **** about people that ****ing detest that you have tried to put CRT and homo ****ing **** in our classrooms.
Don't like it, go slit your wrists.”
Sounds pretty anti American to me.
Point taken lol
If you're losing a PR war from within, how can you claim they don't drive the education train in Oklahoma? If conservative educators hold more power and clout, why are you losing the fight?
I believe pretty much all the metro schools and more than a few of the OKC/Tulsa burbs are run by liberals. When you compare the percentage of students that covers, it isn't insignificant. I also believe they are a significant contributor to our out of whack ratios, but with 537 school districts in just 77 counties, the rural districts aren't without fault. I do think we need to spend more per student, but money isn't everything. Let's delve into some stats:
Education facts State superintendent:
Cade BrumleyNumber of students:
710,903Number of teachers:
46,493Teacher/pupil ratio:
1:15Number of school districts:
80Number of schools:
1,407Graduation rate:
73.5%Per-pupil spending:
$10,490
Education facts State superintendent:
Johnny KeyNumber of students:
486,157Number of teachers:
34,131Teacher/pupil ratio:
1:14Number of school districts:
269Number of schools:
1,102Graduation rate:
84.9%Per-pupil spending:
$9,394
Education facts State superintendent:
Margie VandevenNumber of students:
917,900Number of teachers:
66,248Teacher/pupil ratio:
1:14Number of school districts:
226Number of schools:
2,406Graduation rate:
85.7%Per-pupil spending:
$9,597
Education facts State superintendent:
Randy WatsonNumber of students:
489,043Number of teachers:
41,243Teacher/pupil ratio:
1:12Number of school districts:
309Number of schools:
1,351Graduation rate:
85.7%Per-pupil spending:
$9,828
Education facts State superintendent:
Mike MorathNumber of students:
5,077,659Number of teachers:
327,357Teacher/pupil ratio:
1:16Number of school districts:
1,035Number of schools:
8,731Graduation rate:
88%Per-pupil spending:
$8,299
Education facts State superintendent:
Kurt SteinhausNumber of students:
338,220Number of teachers:
22,201Teacher/pupil ratio:
1:15Number of school districts:
89Number of schools:
877Graduation rate:
70.3%Per-pupil spending:
$9,012
Education facts State superintendent:
Katy AnthesNumber of students:
863,561Number of teachers:
48,922Teacher/pupil ratio:
1:18Number of school districts:
181Number of schools:
1,825Graduation rate:
76.9%Per-pupil spending:
$8,647
Education facts State superintendent:
Joy HofmeisterNumber of students:
673,483Number of teachers:
41,775Teacher/pupil ratio:
1:16Number of school districts:
537Number of schools:
1,784Graduation rate:
84.8%Per-pupil spending:
$7,672
So out of 8 states in the region, we rank last in spending per student across a $2,818 spread. Yet our graduation rate ranks in the middle at 5th, and within 0.1% of 4th place. We only spend $627 less per student than first ranked Texas, which has a 3.3% higher graduation rate. Oddly enough, Louisiana ranks 1st in spending per student, but next to last in graduation rate.
Our teacher/pupil ratio ties for 6th place with Texas at 1:16, which again has the highest graduation rate on the list. Yet Kansas ranked 1st with a 1:12 student ratio, but their graduation rate is only 0.9% better than ours and 2.3% worse than Texas.
So neither spending nor teacher student ratios guarantee success (all other things being equal perhaps). What does stand out as different? Well the one thing that Oklahoma stands out on is the number of students per district. Oklahoma ranks first (or last depending on how you view it) at 1,254 students per district. The average is 3,884 students per district.
One thing we haven't discussed yet is teacher salary. We've all heard that Oklahoma can't compete in the region, especially against Texas. OK...
Average Teacher Salary Per State:
CO - $54,935 105.3 (34)
TX - $54,121 92.1 (15)
OK - $52,397 87.9 (3)
KS - 51,082 86.5 (2)
LA - $50,288 93.0 (16)
MO - $50,019 89.8 (7)
AR - $49,348 90.9 (7)
NM - 47,826 91.0 (12)
Average - $51,252 92.06 (14.8)
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/teacher-pay-by-state
Just so we're comparing apples to apples, the numbers to the right of each salary is the cost of living index and ranking of each state.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/cost-of-living-index-by-state
So I think we can all agree that teacher pay in Oklahoma shouldn't be an issue, right? At least not anymore?
So are teachers in Oklahoma really that unhappy? Or just the liberal ones? Well the same source as above has that ranking by state too. It's not entirely driven by salary either. So here's where we rank:
NM - 2
LA - 13
KS - 17
OK - 20
MO - 31
AR - 34
CO - 39
TX - 40
Average - 24.5
So all this wailing and gnashing of teeth about the state of education on Oklahoma? The Lady doth protest too much, methinks. If you want better public education in Oklahoma, I'd say put some skin in the game and offer to consolidate districts in exchange for more spending per student, And perhaps public education would get more community support if they spent less time complaining about Oklahoma. Maybe all those conservative teachers and administrators, should encourage the most liberal among their ranks to find greener pastures beyond our state lines?
All I know is that I think Oklahoma's education system could definitely be in a better place, but I don't feel that Walters is any part of the solution.
Some has definitely got to change and I realize it's going to be one of the most painful things some towns have to deal with . . . we can't sustain this many individually managed districts long-term.
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