For those that don't understand

Shootin 4 Fun · Apr 24, 2015

why there is so much distrust of law enforcement agencies and officers, you have to look no further than the current situation in Tulsa County. I know that we shouldn't judge all by the actions of a few, but damn, the Sheriff himself is involved in this mess.

Bates has/had a serious power high while playing cop, going as far as to equip his personal auto with emergency lights and sirens. Bates and Glanz need to fry for the death of Eric Harris.

BadgeBunny · Apr 24, 2015

I could not agree more ... and apparently his influence does not stop with the sheriff's office. I wonder how many of us would have been allowed to post $25k and then go fishing for a month in the Bahamas ...

It is worth noting that officers who worked with him had concerns and voiced them, only to be over-ridden by brass and or the department administrators ...

Given what I've seen and heard, Bates ought to serve jail time ... and, though it won't bring the dead man back, he also ought to have to pony up a sizable amount of his fortune in a wrongful death suit ...

IMHO ...

How's THAT for a biased opinion?

SPDguns · Apr 24, 2015

BadgeBunny said:
I could not agree more ... and apparently his influence does not stop with the sheriff's office. I wonder how many of us would have been allowed to post $25k and then go fishing for a month in the Bahamas ...

It is worth noting that officers who worked with him had concerns and voiced them, only to be over-ridden by brass and or the department administrators ...

Given what I've seen and heard, Bates ought to serve jail time ... and, though it won't bring the dead man back, he also ought to have to pony up a sizable amount of his fortune in a wrongful death suit ...

IMHO ...

How's THAT for a biased opinion?

Agreed...

TenBears · Apr 24, 2015

Did the judge recuse himself yet? Good luck finding a judge who doesn't have a close relationship w/ TCSO, this is another reason why the DA's office should not have relationships W/ police or sheriffs office.

EhlerDave · Apr 24, 2015

BadgeBunny said:
I could not agree more ... and apparently his influence does not stop with the sheriff's office. I wonder how many of us would have been allowed to post $25k and then go fishing for a month in the Bahamas ...

It is worth noting that officers who worked with him had concerns and voiced them, only to be over-ridden by brass and or the department administrators ...

Given what I've seen and heard, Bates ought to serve jail time ... and, though it won't bring the dead man back, he also ought to have to pony up a sizable amount of his fortune in a wrongful death suit ...

IMHO ...

How's THAT for a biased opinion?

Sadly I think Justice is blind, yet the folks with money can afford to buy good glasses and they have different rules than I do.

I hope he is jailed, but I would not bet on it at all.

Ace_on_the_Turn · Apr 24, 2015

There are about 800,000 state and local LEO's in the US. If just 5% are "bad" that's 40,000 bad cops. If it's just 1% that's 8000 "bad" cops walking around with a badge and a gun. The vast majority of cops could be, and in my opinion are, good cops, that would still leave a lot of bad cops out there. And, as has been said time and time again, the good cops all to often turn a blind eye to the actions of the bad ones.

BadgeBunny · Apr 24, 2015

Ace_on_the_Turn said:
There are about 800,000 state and local LEO's in the US. If just 5% are "bad" that's 40,000 bad cops. If it's just 1% that's 8000 "bad" cops walking around with a badge and a gun. The vast majority of cops could be, and in my opinion are, good cops, that would still leave a lot of bad cops out there. And, as has been said time and time again, the good cops all to often turn a blind eye to the actions of the bad ones.

I'd really like to see some hard evidence of that and not just some guy on the internet saying so ... it has been my experience (and I've noticed in plenty of news stories) that the first indication of any wrong-doing has been reported by and or investigated and charges brought by officers in the same agency as the bad cop ... but I also acknowledge you can say the same thing about what I've said in this post ...

Body cameras and GPS tracking on patrol cars has been the best things that have ever happened to law enforcement ... a lot of guys that officers complained about but couldn't get anything done about (because brass and administrators have a different agenda than your average police officer) are now being brought "to task" ... and your average officer out there in the community don't like bad cops anymore than any of the rest of us ...

918evo · Apr 24, 2015

BadgeBunny said:
I'd really like to see some hard evidence of that and not just some guy on the internet saying so ... it has been my experience (and I've noticed in plenty of news stories) that the first indication of any wrong-doing has been reported by and or investigated and charges brought by officers in the same agency as the bad cop ...

Body cameras and GPS tracking on patrol cars has been the best things that have ever happened to law enforcement ... a lot of guys that officers complained about but couldn't get anything done about (because brass and administrators have a different agenda than your average police officer) are now being brought "to task" ... and your average officer out there in the community don't like bad cops anymore than any of the rest of us ...

I worked with a guy that was convicted of manufacturing meth in 2003. He was a cook, but didn't do it where he lived(mom's). TPD showed up at his mom's house and told him whatever was there, his mom was getting charged with it unless he signed a paper stating otherwise. He had no equipment there and about $20 worth of marijuana so he signed the paper. They looked at each other and said "we got him", and backed up a car to the garage and started unloading boxes and taking pictures of his "equipment". In court, the detectives presented pictures of high quality condensers and other expensive lab equipment, none of which belonged to the suspect. They said his finished product went into baby food jars, when in reality he used crude equipment and put the product in large gallon pickle jars. He never denied his guilt, and looking back on it, he is thankful that prison turned his life around. Those detectives all knew what was going on, and never reported anything.

yukonjack · Apr 24, 2015

This kinda good ole boy system runs deep in Oklahoma law enforcement. It's not just the SO's that do this but the PD's as well. I've seen Chiefs hire reserves simply because they were buddies or wanted to give someone a second chance. If a person has been fired from both Podunk PD & Bugtussle PD they don't need to be a reserve anywhere. I have 16 years of reserve experience in Oklahoma and have seen it all. Lots of good reserve officers that fill a real need but quite a few that are disasters waiting to happen. My experience in Alaska is vastly different. They aren't afraid to send ya down the river if you don't measure up. Also they have prohibitions that don't let you use your commission off-duty. No off duty security jobs or anything like that. Absolutely prohibited from accepting any free meals, etc. Oklahoma has got to change how the law enforcement community operates. Or someday the Feds will step in and do it for them. And geez 73 years old is just too old. I wonder what kinda physical fitness standards TCSO has for its officers????

BadgeBunny · Apr 24, 2015

yukonjack said:
Oklahoma has got to change how the law enforcement community operates. Or someday the Feds will step in and do it for them. And geez 73 years old is just too old. I wonder what kinda physical fitness standards TCSO has for its officers????

Thank you. I know of a few officers, and I use that term loosely, who left OHP for one reason or another, who were picked up by small city agencies. One of them botched the Sarina Saunders' case and last I heard was under investigation for evidence room "discrepancies" ... the man had no business directing traffic, much less a murder investigation ... and he had co-workers at OHP who didn't think his methods were appropriate but brass never did anything about him ...

There are plenty of these kinds of stories out there ... as well as the hundreds of "contacts" made each day that are uneventful ... or actually an officer doing some good ... but those stories aren't nearly as sexy ... not to mention the fact that humans don't tend to focus on events that don't anger them ... a cop behaving badly angers them ... as it should. It angers me, too ... makes the job harder and more dangerous for the guys and gals who are out there for the right reasons ...

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