Well I have seen what 5 .32 cal sized slugs from the 3" 000 buck magnum handgun loads does to an OKC phone book at 25 feet and that was just one pull of the trigger. Five pulls of the trigger did more damage to that book than 15 rounds of 9mm sd ever could. I guess I can say that I would not want to go up against somebody in a room in my house when they have the Judge 3" mag loaded with 410 000 buck handgun loads and I only have my 9mm.
Well I have seen what 5 .32 cal sized slugs from the 3" 000 buck magnum handgun loads does to an OKC phone book at 25 feet and that was just one pull of the trigger. Five pulls of the trigger did more damage to that book than 15 rounds of 9mm sd ever could. I guess I can say that I would not want to go up against somebody in a room in my house when they have the Judge 3" mag loaded with 410 000 buck handgun loads and I only have my 9mm.
25yd S&W group
25yd Judge group w/ 45LC
25yd Judge group w/ 45LC
Why even bring 45lc into this discussion? I have also noticed the good "at rest" position you were using to fire those shots. Let me know how that "at rest" works when you are firing at someone meanig to do harm to you. Why is it that we all agree that the best sd weapon is a shot gun, why, because of the amount of lead it throws down range, not its acuracy.
I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm attacked by a paper phonebook.
Penetration is key...and from what I've seen .410 buckshot balls just don't. Tearing up paper is not the same as penetrating human body tissue and bone in order to cause damage to internal organs etc....
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I'll keep that in mind the next time I'm attacked by a paper phonebook.
Penetration is key...and from what I've seen .410 buckshot balls just don't. Tearing up paper is not the same as penetrating human body tissue and bone in order to cause damage to internal organs etc....
5 .32 cal 410 000 buckshot copper jacketed travelling at 1200+ fps went much further through an OKC phone book at 25ft than Winchester JHP 9mm sd rounds out of a 3.9 inch barrel SIG 239.
By the way pretty good shooting with the S&W, I ccw the exact same gun, but I use the Judge at my bedside (in fact 3 Judges at my bedside) as a quick response weapon getting me to under my bed for the shotty. (I would keep the shotty under the pillow, but my wife keep hitting the butt). In the dark of my own bedroom, shooting at an intruder, I will use what throws the most lead. I would never use a gun that shoots a single round and hope I guessed the BG's position If you don't have a shotty for back up, I would highly recommend it.
I would never use a gun that shoots a single round and hope I guessed the BG's position .[/QUOTE]
I think that for instance, if some had a G21 with one of those lights mounted on it, they could illuminate the bad guy and hit him.
I think that for instance, if some had a G21 with one of those lights mounted on it, they could illuminate the bad guy and hit him.
Lights make good targets, I think the argument could go on indefinatly with the same results. Seems like bullets in bad guys happens with either. I like my rem 1100 with 1 3/8 oz. no. 4.
