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Kyler Murray expected to enter NFL draft

Discussion in 'Sports' started by JD8, Jan 10, 2019.

  1. JD8

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    No. Like keep saying.... you keep moving the goalposts in your argument.

    We've now progressed to long term "success."

    Well let's see here....

    Baker....
    Walked on to 2 Div I schools
    Broke Records at OU
    Won the Big 12 every year he played at OU
    Won the Heisman, after being a finalist the previous year
    Drafted #1
    Took a historically bad team and won more games with the team than the last 3 years combined.

    Now I know to fit your argument that this might not seem like much, or the "jury is still out." But by most accounts even if he fell off the earth next year he was STILL a success story. None of the individuals you posted accomplished what he has this point in his career.

    Kyler....

    Most people agree that this kid is a freak, his level of talent just isn't seen outside of a every other decade or so. Now I get you don't see it that he would do well in the NFL, there's an aging mentality that you can't scramble, or run, and have to be tall, in the NFL, to do well. When several QBs have done it for years. Now they aren't true "running" QBs but neither is Kyler. Kyler is expected to be drafted in the 1st round of the NFL too, after being drafted in the 1st round of MLB, how many times has that happened? It's reported that the Patriots are salivating over him. In which Belichick is probably not aware of your opinion, you should give him a call.
     
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    What a great group of whatevers. Can't really call them washouts etc. Micheal Vick, love him or hate him he was a winner and could play the game. RGIII couldn't take the beating and Johnny Manziel was a nobody who couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. The others blah, didn't really pay attention to them.
     
  3. JD8

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    It's cute when people start to lose an argument and they resort to insults. Nothing I said wasn't a fact, and I'm sorry you don't like it. Didn't say he was the best ever? Nope. Stated the facts at what he had done, that it translates to a success in most eyes. You're just huffy because most of what you've said is complete BS because you don't understand you're comparing apples to oranges. Surely there's been over hyped 1st round picks every year for as long as I can remember. But it doesn't take rocket science to figure out why these two are different with regards to their chances in the NFL. The whole reason I posted what I did was to show what sets these two apart. Granted the initial comment was that Kyler won't fit or won't be a QB in the NFL.... now it's evolved.

    Nobody is saying the transition to the NFL isn't tough and what you're relaying is common knowledge. Well aware of the flops that have happened, but let's take Ryan Leaf for example...... wanna compare him and Baker? How about Vince Young or Vic? Two more head cases. One thing you need to realize is that there's a mentality that goes with the transition. I believe Baker has it, given his history, he has had to earn everything he achieved and then some. Kyler again is just a freak, he's got an arm easily as good as Baker and the running ability of Russel Wilson. Nobody you mentioned had his ability in college in two sports. Now maybe he gets drafted, becomes a head case and folds, or just doesn't cut it....it surely could happen.

    I coulda told you that Heupel, White, Bradford wouldn't go anywhere, although Bradford lasted longer than I thought. The problem with Bradford was that he was a statue and the DEs/Pass Rush was evolving. Hence all of my comments about mobility. I even had slight reservations about Baker until I watched the first half of the Browns season. He's the same Baker as college so I think he will be fine. Outside of that, there are a TON of variables.

    Finally, the "pro-type" QB theory is dead, again, a majority of your best and most accomplished QBs in the NFL right now aren't huge by any means. So while a short guy has a bit of disadvantage, Kyler's speed and arm give him a step up from anyone you've mentioned that flopped or anyone that we've seen recently out of college. Again, you might want to call up the Patriots and let them know your theory.
     
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    Nothing I have said makes me all knowing. I have literally said nothing you can't read about on multiple sports outlets OR gather from watching either of them play. It's not like I'm on here saying he's going #1 and he's the best ever. I'm saying the kid is impressively good at two sports and he's as good of a passer as he is a runner. This is rare, not much of a secret to be honest.

    Here's the ironic part though, you're the one actually making concrete statements as to what will happen to Kyler Murray in the NFL. I'm not. I'm highlighting what both QBs have done, which is exceptional in either case and dispelling the myths you've laid forth. So the problem with your little snowflake hissy fit here, is that this started when you made the comment that Kyler will never be a QB in the NFL...... well guess what..... he's probably getting drafted as a QB. It progressed from a reference to Baker being successful when many said he was "undraftable" and then you went on to say the "jury is out on Baker." "You're not sure if he's a success." Because Ryan Leaf? I provide a pretty impressive history that nobody has done and here we are. Now you want them to have a Super Bowl ring before they are validated. Ok great, keep moving those posts.
     
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    Well it seems I stand corrected. Duly noted. But I'd still counsel him to go MLB if I were in the position to do so. For the simple reason that it's a lot easier on the body than the NFL is, less problems after playing time is over. And he has the contract already signed.

    But I'm going to probably agree with JD8 here and say he's probably going to get to choose between the two and from what I've seen, he just flat loves playing FB. I wish him the best either way or even both ways.
     
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    If he could get on base he'd get paid in MLB, because he's gonna steal some bases if he does. However, your rookie contracts for first rounders are still ridiculous for QBs in the NFL... even though he's apparently a dime a dozen talent wise. :D

    It may very well be he just doesn't want to go to the minors for a few years, whereas if he's drafted...... he's gonna get his chance to play.
     
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    Forgot to mention yesterday....

    Austin Kendall is entering the "transfer portal" to explore options. Of course this starts the rumor mill. It will be an interesting spring for sure.
     
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    I saw that. And if you are in the certain closed FB group that bears the head coach’s name you know the rumors are quite rampant. It’s pretty comical at times.


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    I checked when the news broke..... per usual.... lots of retarded comments. They go whichever way the wind blows, bout as bad as landtheives was.
     
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    Too short. He will be a journeyman at best
     

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