Man shot and killed after "Red Flag" gun removal...

[TerryMiller]

From the linked story at the original post:

"Michele Willis, the man's niece, told The Baltimore Sun that one of her aunts requested the protective order against Willis, but she declined to say why.

She said police stopped by the home to speak with her uncle Sunday night. He lived above the garage and several other family members also lived in the home. Those who were there during the shooting were being questioned by police Monday morning, The Sun reported."

It would be nice to know what exchange occurred on Sunday night. Was that exchange what prompted the early morning raid? If there were indications from the decedent on Sunday night that indicated a fight might ensue, I might could see it. Otherwise, the fact that he put his weapon down before picking it up again seems to indicate that maybe the decedent really didn't know what the police were doing, in spite of the Sunday night visit.

 

[druryj]

This is what gun confiscation will look like.
A lot of folks on this forum say "come and get 'em", implying they'll do just what this man did.

At what point does resistance become the ol
to do, as opposed to give up your guns and fight in court later (maybe)?

Can people turn in their thug neighbors?
Will the cops have search warrants if the homeowner says "I lost 'em in a boating accident"?

Gun confiscation... a scary thought. But like someone turning into a vampire or a werewolf, I don’t really believe it can happen. No, it can and will never happen on any large scale kind of thing in this country. As long as the U. S. of America exists as a country anyway. Why? Logistics, plain and simple; it would be an enormous, virtually impossible task to confiscate all the guns in this country. (Just trying to load up all of Old Man Hoddy’s guns and his huge stockpile of Ammo alone gives me a headache). LOL.

Seriously though, the vast amount of manpower required, the sheer numbers of “confiscators”needed to go to the homes, businesses, cabins, storage sheds, trucks, cars, and on people’s bodies to physically seize all the firearms people have in this country is a task simply too large to be realistic. Plus, the collection and transportation and then the storage or disposal poses a similar problem. Add to that the fact that there would be a huge uprising; a revolt unlike any ever seen before fighting against tyranny... and it just won’t work. Oh sure, I believe some far left extremists would love for guns to just become outlawed. Well, they will just have to be content with their delusions; it’s not happening. Not here. Maybe Great Britain and Australia can be their examples, but that’s just the background scenery they play in their little brains as they dream of a gun-free society, with rainbows and ponies, and free cable TV service, and universal health care and free college and good, high paying jobs for everybody and gay and HGTV people wearing the other genders undies in Congress and an end to all violence and crime. (It’s for the children, after all).

I’m sure many will agree that it’s really guns that made us a free society and sadly, it may someday come back to guns keeping us as a free society as well.

Now on a small scale? By city? County? Even state? Yes and ... maybe. If we are talking a small, mostly blue state, it could be initiated and enjoy limited success, becoming less and less successful as the numbers grow. But don’t try that in a place like Oklahoma. Or Texas, or Arizona or other red gun culture free states of similar make-up. And damn sure don’t come to my house and try it.


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[beardking]

Now on a small scale? By city? County? Even state? Yes and ... maybe. If we are talking a small, mostly blue state, it could be initiated and enjoy limited success, becoming less and less successful as the numbers grow. But don’t try that in a place like Oklahoma. Or Texas, or Arizona or other red gun culture free states of similar make-up. And damn sure don’t come to my house and try it.

I think you are seeing it wrong. I think this is EXACTLY how it will happen. Just like the constant, slow erosion of the 2nd amendment, I think gun confiscation will happen, but it's going to be a slow roll thing. Until it isn't. Every day/week/month/year we are seeing more and more "common sense gun laws" come into play. Just like the recent "review" of the legality of bump stocks, there will be a "review" of the legality of this feature and that feature and whether this person can own a gun. And just like with the legality of bump stocks, there will be people within the gun community itself that say "Oh, that's ok. Who really needs one of those anyway. They are just a waste of ammo and I don't like them anyway. We can give the anti's this inch." Until, eventually, it comes down to us all being relieved of our "rights." Hopefully it'll be such a slow roll that I won't see it in my lifetime, but I have no doubt that it'll happen.

 

[dennishoddy]

Why didn’t they just get a warrant, Tap him on the shoulder while getting in his vehicle or at the grocery store, escort him home and gather the guns?
There is absolutely zero reason to do a 5am door buster.

 

[druryj]

I think you are seeing it wrong. I think this is EXACTLY how it will happen. Just like the constant, slow erosion of the 2nd amendment, I think gun confiscation will happen, but it's going to be a slow roll thing. Until it isn't. Every day/week/month/year we are seeing more and more "common sense gun laws" come into play. Just like the recent "review" of the legality of bump stocks, there will be a "review" of the legality of this feature and that feature and whether this person can own a gun. And just like with the legality of bump stocks, there will be people within the gun community itself that say "Oh, that's ok. Who really needs one of those anyway. They are just a waste of ammo and I don't like them anyway. We can give the anti's this inch." Until, eventually, it comes down to us all being relieved of our "rights." Hopefully it'll be such a slow roll that I won't see it in my lifetime, but I have no doubt that it'll happen.

God, I hope you’re the one that’s wrong. I hope and pray it won’t happen. I cannot imagine a society where we don’t have the right to own firearms, but the ruling elite does, or has “security forces” to keep the rest of us subjects in check.

Writers like George Orwell seize on ideas like this and we get movies about such things like “Soylent Green” and “ Hunger Games” where the peons have to fight for scraps of food and eke out a meager existence, plowing the barren fields with implements made from the melted down guns that their ancestors owned.




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[druryj]

Why didn’t they just get a warrant, Tap him on the shoulder while getting in his vehicle or at the grocery store, escort him home and gather the guns?
There is absolutely zero reason to do a 5am door buster.

‘Cause...that’s not the way they do it on TV.


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[dennishoddy]

‘Cause...that’s not the way they do it on TV.


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I was very measured in my comments. My original thoughts needed much editing.

 

[O4L]

Sad deal. He should have known picking that gun up was a death sentence.

Maybe he was a "They'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands" kind of guy.

 

[druryj]

I was very measured in my comments. My original thoughts needed much editing.

I was being facetious. Actually, I think you are right.


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