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And yet that's not what any business is asking for. Level 3 wants more peering. There's no maybe to this one: the imbalance on the settlement-free link wouldn't exist if Level3 was paying the way for their CDN links.

Again on the change, how do you envision that business model working?
What does grandma pay, who just checks weather underground and hotmail?
What does Tony pay, who has an equallogic sumo array at home and downloads 24 hours a day?
What about the mom of 4 who has kids watching Netflix during peak hours?
Then how do you make all of that profitable?
Also Level3 still wants free peering, so give them some more. Also don't charge your customers anything extra.
How do you work all that in?
Well, here's the way I hope it works out and expect it to.

When the ISP demands payment for more bandwidth from L3 and payment is refused a lot of customers are going to be pissed off.
When their movie buffers over and over they are going to blame their ISP and if it goes on long enough they might drop back to a lower internet tier.

Here's the thing:
Netflix, Hulu, Youtube and the rest are creating the demand on the part of the consumer for the higher tier internet packages the ISP offers.
If a consumer can't stream video over his preferred package he might as well drop back to the value package that's just fine for surfing and email.

Maybe Netflix, Hulu, and Youtube should demand payment from the ISP for providing the content their customers are clamoring for.
 

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Well, here's the way I hope it works out and expect it to.

When the ISP demands payment for more bandwidth from L3 and payment is refused a lot of customers are going to be pissed off.
When their movie buffers over and over they are going to blame their ISP and if it goes on long enough they might drop back to a lower internet tier.

Here's the thing:
Netflix, Hulu, Youtube and the rest are creating the demand on the part of the consumer for the higher tier internet packages the ISP offers.
If a consumer can't stream video over his preferred package he might as well drop back to the value package that's just fine for surfing and email.

Maybe Netflix, Hulu, and Youtube should demand payment from the ISP for providing the content their customers are clamoring for.

I think they'll blame the content service, especially when so much else works just fine.
Level3 will probably pony up for CDN links. They're being paid to deliver the content, so they'll make more money by buying them. Not as much as if they used public opinion to bully the ISPs into giving them free service, but they'll still make money either way.
 

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I think they'll blame the content service, especially when so much else works just fine.
Level3 will probably pony up for CDN links. They're being paid to deliver the content, so they'll make more money by buying them. Not as much as if they used public opinion to bully the ISPs into giving them free service, but they'll still make money either way.
That's the the thing. So much else won't work fine.
Pandora, Vonnage, YouTube .....

You'll still be able to surf and email tho.
 

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I'm about 35min in on that, it's interesting.
If you don't watch the whole thing (and there's a lot that's related to the regular Security Now podcast), note that there is some more NN-related commentary near the end of the show. I was listening to the audio podcast while tramping around a hay field, so I couldn't give you a timestamp on it.
 

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If you don't watch the whole thing (and there's a lot that's related to the regular Security Now podcast), note that there is some more NN-related commentary near the end of the show. I was listening to the audio podcast while tramping around a hay field, so I couldn't give you a timestamp on it.

Oh, thanks for that. I'll pick it back up tomorrow. I dropped out at about 56min or so.
I can't believe eBay and the 20-char password length constraint. I'd be tempted to throw in some Big5 characters or something with a diaeresis.
 

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If all of this goes the way of the big corporations it is going to be just like cable and satellite providers are now. You will try to go to Netflix and get a screen that says we are in a contract dispute with Netflix and until it is resolved (Netflix pays us more money) you will not be able to access them trough our system.
^^^ That's exactly what is going to happen.

The ISPs are going to have a bidding auction. "Who will pay us the most for preferred access to our customers"?
Let's say Vudu wins the auction on Verizon networks.
Then Netflix and Hulu would be slowed down, or blocked altogether on that network since Vudu has a partnership with Verizon.

On Comcast Netflix might win with the highest bid and it would be Vudu that is blocked or slowed down.

The ISPs are seeking to monetize both ends of their pipe.
It has nothing to do with L3 or CDNs or uneven data sharing.
That's the fig leaf they are hiding behind right now.

Even worse, once it's OK to block individual sites there's no end to the amount of meddling by activist groups.
First the movie and music lobbies sue to have sites blocked that share their content on the web.
Then the porn studios sue to block the porn sharing websites.
Then the religious groups get involved and the environment activists and on and on.
Before you know it a bunch of sites, both right and left, are being blocked because they are objectionable.
Then the .gov steps in wanting to block sites opposed to global warming or obamacare.

The way to avoid all that is to keep it mandatory to not block sites that are legal and not slow down traffic from some sites in favor of others.
 

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