Shooting at Grand Casino Shawnee

[Glocktogo]

We're not trying to hide anything, I just don't think it's a good idea to throw one of our users out there without knowing that it's definitely them. Is there anyone here that knows 100% that our user and this guy are the same person? Did anyone ever meet our user?

We can talk about the name he had on other forums, I just don't want anyone saying our user with that screen name and this guy are the same person unless they can verify it 100%. Is that cool?

Fair point. My line of work tends to make me jaded. Sadly people tend to confirm my justifications on a fairly frequent basis so forgive me.

Based on what we've uncovered since last night when I didn't post anything, coupled with the tattoo match, I'd say we're at 99.8% confidence right now. Our former redneck1861 was a real piece of work, so I wouldn't want to be associated with him on or off the web. We're fortunate he hasn't been present on our community forum for years. If Wells the casino sg is/was the redneck1861 who used to be here, I sadly defer back to my first paragraph.

 

[tRidiot]

My line of work tends to make me jaded. Sadly people tend to confirm my justifications on a fairly frequent basis so forgive me.

Ditto THAT.

 

[deerwhacker444]

Sounds like he was Unfriended a few days before the shooting..

“He was a kind person to everyone he met,” Stacy Palmer said, adding that it his son’s kindness that drew people in. “[Matt] told me [Justin] didn’t have a lot of friends and he became friends with him at work. They were coworkers.”

But the relationship soured, according to Stacy Palmer, when Wells became almost like a stalker.

Palmer ended the relationship days before the shooting."

 

[RidgeHunter]

Hall of shame more like it. Sounds like he took a good one with his sorry six when he decided to leave the gene pool.

He didn't leave. He survived.

 

[YukonGlocker]

Sounds like he was Unfriended a few days before the shooting..

“He was a kind person to everyone he met,” Stacy Palmer said, adding that it his son’s kindness that drew people in. “[Matt] told me [Justin] didn’t have a lot of friends and he became friends with him at work. They were coworkers.”

But the relationship soured, according to Stacy Palmer, when Wells became almost like a stalker.

Palmer ended the relationship days before the shooting."

That is, unfortunately, a common theme in these types of events.

 

[RidgeHunter]

So how many of us might be just a phone call or text message away from losing it and doing something we might regret? I don't know the circumstances behind this. I don't know the guy. All we know is he is accused, no other real info.

But what would you do in certain circumstances? Seriously, like... phone call, "So-and-so is borking your wife." Or "... your daughter." Or someone beat.. or raped... or murdered your daughter? Your physically- or mentally-challenged child. Someone at the senior center abused or raped your elderly grandmother? ...who has dementia? Your child's coach/teacher took advantage of them. Their doctor? Their dentist?

It's an interesting exercise to stop and really seriously examine what it would take for you to throw away everything you have ever worked for because of rage or hurt or despair. For a moment of revenge, or justice served instantaneously, instead of meted out over years of a trial and decades of a sentence in prison, or even death row, where they may die of old age before their number comes up?

We all like to think we are pretty reasonable people... remember the guy in TX who caught some dude actually in the act of raping his daughter? I think she was like 5 years old? Beat the guy to death with his bare hands. Another one walked up on his wife getting boned in a pickup (also in TX?), and when she saw him, she screamed, "RAPE!" And what happened? He killed the guy, only to find out after the fact, it was really an ongoing affair and she panicked. Then she was the one charged with the murder.


But what would it take? I'm not asking anyone to post on here... these are thoughts mostly for private introspection. Know your limits. Know your triggers. Maybe even try to work on those triggers so they don't trigger you? Or at least not as hard? I dunno...

Just sad to see this. One of those guys went to work today thinking he would be going home to his family, putting his feet up, having a beer, grillin' some ribs this weekend (in the freezing rain), whatever. You never know.

Good point but I think it's a safe bet that those of us without confederate grim reaper tattoos are less prone to snapping than those with them.

 

[caojyn]

Sounds like he was Unfriended a few days before the shooting..

“He was a kind person to everyone he met,” Stacy Palmer said, adding that it his son’s kindness that drew people in. “[Matt] told me [Justin] didn’t have a lot of friends and he became friends with him at work. They were coworkers.”

But the relationship soured, according to Stacy Palmer, when Wells became almost like a stalker.

Palmer ended the relationship days before the shooting."

Closeted homosexual

 

[RETOKSQUID]

He didn't leave. He survived.

Well crap, was told he offed himself, guess he is a bigger f up than previously thought.

 

[deerwhacker444]

Closeted homosexual

Would not be surprised, would explain all this mess. Might have tried to get "friendly" with Palmer and then Palmer said "thanks, but no thanks, I'm straight." Then Wells got scared that he'd start talking at work...

Only thing left to do was go "American Beauty" on Palmer..

But that's just a wild #ss guess.

 

[soonersfan]

Would not be surprised, would explain all this mess. Might have tried to get "friendly" with Palmer and then Palmer said "thanks, but no thanks, I'm straight." Then Wells got scared that he'd start talking at work...

Only thing left to do was go "American Beauty" on Palmer..

But that's just a wild #ss guess.

I don't think the dude was gay. I think he was an ignorant, racist, redneck prone to wild fantasies but not gay. I imagine these two became friends at work like a lot of other people. The guy who got shot was probably a lot nicer than most for even giving redneck the time of day. As their friendship grew and they became more comfortable with each other, redneck probably revealed more about who he truly is and the other guy decided he didn't want to be friends with a crazy person.