Well, I went and checked Joel out of the Asylum today and took him to the range. It really hurts me to say this especially since Joel recommended it, but I really like this little Walther. It shot softer then his 43X or what ever he had, very accurate. Now I need a 8 round mag. He doesn't know it, and after his evening meds I'm sure he'll forget but he's not getting his UBG holster back that he loaned me.lol