Septuagenarian shot dead in his garage, intruders blame poor lighting on the homicide

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This kind of "cover our butt" crap from the cops burns me up. If a citizen tried to use the same excuse for accidentally killing someone, the murder indictment couldn't be handed down fast enough, but if the cops accidentally kill someone, it is just a big oops and a hollow apology.

Well, when you think about it that actually makes sense. The people whom we put deliberately in harm's way are more likely to have an encounter in which they have chance for a fatal error. Unless you want to let every police officer know that at the first mistake your career is over and you will go to jail - with or without malicious intent, i.e. even when it is an honest, if fatal, error...well all I can say is that I don't think you are considering second and third order effects from such a policy. In the case of malice or negligence quite a different standard should be applied.

I served 24 years on active duty and I can personally affirm that soldiers, sailors, and airmen made and make errors that cost innocent people their lives i.e. non-combatants by the US definition. However, unless there is malice or gross negligence we don't punish most of those military, in part, because of the effect it would have on the rest of the force - they would learn that job number one should be stay safe, avoid trouble, and CYA not desirable characteristics in military or police.
 
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We can learn some tactical lessons from this. Have a flashlight of your own. Identify your target. It is safest not to confront a BG if you don't have to... take a defensive position and let him come to you. If you must, do it from a position of strength. Don't just stand there and raise a gun to an armed BG... move and shoot, or use some cover. And in case the BG's you pop happen to be cops, have a plan to effin disappear.
 

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Well, when you think about it that actually makes sense. The people whom we put deliberately in harm's way are more likely to have an encounter in which they have chance for a fatal error. Unless you want to let every police officer know that at the first mistake your career is over and you will go to jail - with or without malicious intent, i.e. even when it is an honest, if fatal, error...well all I can say is that I don't think you are considering second and third order effects from such a policy. In the case of malice or negligence quite a different standard should be applied.

I served 24 years on active duty and I can personally affirm that soldiers, sailors, and airmen made and make errors that cost innocent people their lives i.e. non-combatants by the US definition. However, unless there is malice or gross negligence we don't punish most of those military, in part, because of the effect it would have on the rest of the force - they would learn that job number one should be stay safe, avoid trouble, and CYA not desirable characteristics in military or police.

This is the difference between Civilian Police and Military Soldiers, etc. We, as a society, hold them to a higher standard. As we should. We employ them and pay them to protect us, not to kill us. In this instance these police officers should be prosecuted. If a jury of their peers finds them innocent then, so be it. If not then they need to pay their debt to society. In the civilian world we should never have an acceptable rate of friendly fire vicitims.

Just as in the case of the BART police officer Johannes Mehserle these Fort Worth officers need to face the consequences of their mistaken actions. It's no different then what Mehserle did.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/11/bart-officer-sentenced.html

A former transit police officer convicted of involuntary manslaughter for fatally shooting an unarmed man on an Oakland train station platform was sentenced by a Los Angeles judge Friday to two years in prison.

Johannes Mehserle, 28, contended that he mistakenly used his firearm instead of an electric Taser weapon when he shot Oscar J. Grant III in the early hours of New Year’s Day 2009. But prosecutors argued at his trial that Mehserle meant to reach for his handgun as he tried to handcuff an unresisting Grant, who was lying face-down on the platform floor.
 

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