How many of you are debt free? (Dave Ramsey stuff)

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I will disagree with you. I do everything with cash and my business has grown continuously since inception.



I would also be interested in net worth of all the people on this thread throwing around financial advice...I don't listen to Fat Personal trainers.

This is a good post. Opportunities can be seized and debt avoided simultaneously.
 

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How's about an example of good debt?

You own a machine shop. An oil company comes to you need 10,000 widgets over the next year for 1.5m. Your current machining capacity will not be able to fill this order. So you go to the bank and borrow $700k for 2 new precision lathes. So a year later you have 2 new machines paid for and some profit to boot. Now given your increased capacity, you can receive a higher volume of work than before and make more money moving forward from that contract.

Now would it have been smarter to decline the opportunity because you didn't want to borrow?
 

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How's about an example of good debt?

You own a machine shop. An oil company comes to you need 10,000 widgets over the next year for 1.5m. Your current machining capacity will not be able to fill this order. So you go to the bank and borrow $700k for 2 new precision lathes. So a year later you have 2 new machines paid for and some profit to boot. Now given your increased capacity, you can receive a higher volume of work than before and make more money moving forward from that contract.

Now would it have been smarter to decline the opportunity because you didn't want to borrow?

I guess to m it would depend on how solid that contract was. Is this oil company going to be in bidness 6 months from now?
I would have to negotiate to contract out some of the work and take a Lesser profit before I would set the stage for possible failure.

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I guess to m it would depend on how solid that contract was. Is this oil company going to be in bidness 6 months from now?
I would have to negotiate to contract out some of the work and take a Lesser profit before I would set the stage for possible failure.

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It's called a calculated risk. You calculate the likelihood that the customer will default on the contract. If it was Baker Hughes that wanted a bigger order than I was ready to handle, it'd be a no-brainer if the margin is there. If it was Joe's Oilfield Service, there'd be a thorough grapevine investigation and likely no deal.

Even subcontracting the work, your taking on risk. Who's holding the bag when your subcontractor fails to deliver? Who still has to pay your subcontractor when your customer doesn't pay?

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Geeze people get offended....perhaps that is why my Mom always told me never to talk about money/sex/politics in public conversation.

It is ok to like Dave Ramsey, it is ok NOT to like Dave Ramsey. It is ok to be debt-free, it is ok to be in debt.

All that said, I would like to find a way to pay my student loans off sooner. I am not even really sure how much I owe all together to pay it off right now...probably around $13,500 if I had to guess.

My advice, work hard, do things your proud of. If you can save, save. Pay what ya can when ya can. Don't get caught up in the rat race to make a fortune. Or retire by a certain age. Just try to stay out if debt as much as you reasonably can.

There's no real difference in living and worrys, whether you make a lot or a whole lot. Once you reach a debt free life, little problems stay little.

Being a good guy and trying to live a good life trumps all the money in the world.
 

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I would wager that many of you guys that are drawing a paycheck are doing so from some guy or corporation that is borrowing money. That's how most successful businesses grow. Their capital expenditures that they make allows them to flow more cash and have more opportunity. Plus as a business owner, if you are not re-investing in yourself the tax man will have his way with you. If a business were to only buy the things it could purchase with cash, it would miss many opportunities and will wither and die before it gets off the ground. Think about it. Pretty much every big, successful business has had to leverage itself and put it all on the line to grow. All debt is not bad debt. Especially when it is low interest debt.

we have owned our own business since 2003, we cash flow the entire thing, I have 9 "employees" I carry ZERO debt in my business, it can be done. I never ever leveraged my family or put it all on the line to grow my business. Starting a business and growing it was risky enough LOL I guess if the definition of success is borrowing money and all it takes is one major event to put your company out of business and your employees out of a job and possibly destroying your own life financially, then I must be an abject failure.
 

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Do you listen to/follow Dave Ramsey at all?

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Yes. though lately I have been "following" him less. Seems like once you learn his baby steps and then latch on to the whole tithing thing, you pretty much no his pitch. I lurk a lot (and post a little) over on www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance - that is a really good group and they have a lot of good pointers about various situations
 

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