Gay marriage

[donner]

If my position is ********, but you can't explain yours, then who is the bullshitter?

except he didn't say he couldn't support his position. Just that it'd require a different thread (so as not to derail this one).

If you would like an answer that badly, i suggest you PM him or start a new thread. Or perhaps he could PM you, start a new thread or link to the previous thread.

Either way, we're veering off course.

 

[Progun223]

Granted that was a reply devoid of logic and deserves it's own thread. You might find the answer in looking for an explanation as to why christians don't hold a monopoly on morality. Given their history on this earth.... far from.

Although I believe in the God of the Bible alone, I didn't specify which "god" this objective point of reference of morality was, but that without a "god" as the basis of good or evil, that there is no good or evil. Whether it be Islam, Christianity, Buddism or whatever, the concept of good and evil come from the moral laws of each respective religion and without such moral law, right or wrong is subjective to man's interpretation And yes, there have been some deplorable acts in the name of "Christianity", but they pale in comparison to the acts committed by secular atheistic regimes such as Hitler and Stalin.

 

[MadDogs]

I'm asking you to provide that an atheist, or something of the like, made that argument …. What you need to honestly prove is lack of religious bias.

Try reading the link I attached which is the same one that Dude posted. There was a secular reason as to “why” someone was against same sex marriages. Little web search you might find others.

Secondly, you are either saying that there are no atheists against same sex marriage OR that any atheist that is uses religion for his bias.

If you're merely saying there's no religion in some arguments, well that doesn't really hold any water as I will show in a moment.

You did an exceptionally poor job explaining how an atheist uses religion to be against same sex marriage.

Now to your point to whether is logical or credible is somewhat false ….. Since nobody here can provide a logical reason with facts, I'm going to say again that you might find some arguments devoid of religion here or there, but the bias behind the argument remains.

My point is “somewhat false” (is that like “somewhat true”?) that there are secularists who are against same sex marriages? Then you go on to say “you might find”.

This bears repeating …

…but the bias behind the argument remains.

Again, not discussing whether or not there is bias. There is OBVIOUSLY natural bias by both sides. Again, not discussing whether or not said opinion is right, wrong or indifferent. The point (again) is that not every person who opposes same sex unions is doing such based on religion.

Do you want to make every objection about same sex marriage to be about religious bias so you can bash people for their faith?

 

[MadDogs]

...but they pale in comparison to the acts committed by secular atheistic regimes such as Hitler and Stalin.

And Planned Parenthood.

 

[SoonerP226]

Can you lay forth the argument from said atheist.

Actually, I do know an atheist who is opposed to gay marriage, but I don't particularly feel like speaking for him, so I'll just leave it at that.

 

[farmerbyron]

To hell with the bull$hit sideshow, circular argument about a hypothetical atheist opposed to gay marriage. Why does R K9 oppose gay marriage? This is really the crux of the whole thread the S4F started here.

 

[YukonGlocker]

Although I believe in the God of the Bible alone, I didn't specify which "god" this objective point of reference of morality was, but that without a "god" as the basis of good or evil, that there is no good or evil. Whether it be Islam, Christianity, Buddism or whatever, the concept of good and evil come from the moral laws of each respective religion and without such moral law, right or wrong is subjective to man's interpretation And yes, there have been some deplorable acts in the name of "Christianity", but they pale in comparison to the acts committed by secular atheistic regimes such as Hitler and Stalin.

Hitler and Stalin weren't Atheist, but it doesn't really matter in the determination of the root of morality. As already stated, we need to keep this thread on topic, so I'd recommend adding to these related threads on the topic:
https://www.okshooters.com/showthread.php?212959-Where-do-atheists-get-their-morality
https://www.okshooters.com/showthread.php?210033-Evolution

 

[Eagle Eye]

Although I believe in the God of the Bible alone, I didn't specify which "god" this objective point of reference of morality was, but that without a "god" as the basis of good or evil, that there is no good or evil. Whether it be Islam, Christianity, Buddism or whatever, the concept of good and evil come from the moral laws of each respective religion and without such moral law, right or wrong is subjective to man's interpretation And yes, there have been some deplorable acts in the name of "Christianity", but they pale in comparison to the acts committed by secular atheistic regimes such as Hitler and Stalin.

What gives you the right to say that those acts were any worse than another genocide?
Why would you even suggest that? No sane person would say that one genocide is better than another.

defensive about something?????

We all have to live with the fact that our ancestors committed crimes, some of them unfathomable to us.
Does this fact make us bad people???? I think not, unless you choose to commit a crime

You first argument has a major flaw. Do you know that a person that has no idea of god has no morals? If so, how do you know this? If such a person were to share a piece of bread with a starving man, you would automatically think that god had some role in that. It's easy to see why you would conclude this, you don't know it any other way, but why make such a statement about people whose reality you do not understand?
to me thats a text book example of persecution and discrimination.

 

[Progun223]

My ancestors were Native American and black, so if anyone knows about genocide, it's my people. And as far as a man sharing bread with a starving man, I think that's just basic conscious and compassion, which is not normal to all species.

 

[caojyn]

My ancestors were Native American and black, so if anyone knows about genocide, it's my people.

Damn, costs 5 mana