planned parenthood not indicted by grand jury

[mugsy]

You're begging the question. A not-insignificant portion of the pro-choice crowd argue that an embryo or fetus isn't yet human. It will become one, but has not yet achieved personhood status, according to their thinking.

I'm not weighing in on that belief, but if you're to have a meaningful discussion, you have to understand you counterpart's position.

That would be the nub of the matter, I agree.

 

[Dave70968]

That would be the nub of the matter, I agree.

A parallel question would be "when does the egg become the chicken?" The best answer I have is "it's a process," but for the purposes of law and legislation, we need a brighter line than that.

 

[RidgeHunter]

If there's 2 things I love, it's high oil prices and abortion. I'll settle for one when I can't get the other.

 

[chuter]

As for the question of when does a fetus become a person; aren't there some cases where someone who murders a pregnant woman is charged with 2 murders?

I haven't looked into the details, but if there are such cases I wonder how that fits with the not-a-person-till-it-breaths concept.

 

[bluedog46]

YukonGlocker, PP may be within the law but at the very least it will shed light on the ugly, debasing, and I would argue, inhuman practices of PP. The Nazi death camps were legally allowed to recoup costs by slave labor (well save costs in that case), selling remaining possessions (like silver tooth fillings and gold crowns), and it has been alleged, offering various parts for experimentation.
I find it sadly ironic that one of the two charges against the film makers was...you guessed it...trying to purchase human body parts...which PP was offering for sale.

That is why they are after them. I believe this was Houston. They are a VERY LIBERAL area of Texas.

 

[YukonGlocker]

That is why they are after them. I believe this was Houston. They are a VERY LIBERAL area of Texas.

Compared to who?
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2014/08/daily-chart-0

 

[dennishoddy]

Compared to who?
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2014/08/daily-chart-0

The demographics of that chart would be interesting to note when it comes to liberal entitlements.

 

[YukonGlocker]

The demographics of that chart would be interesting to note when it comes to liberal entitlements.

Yeah, they are...especially Houston because it's average in the bunch.

 

[_CY_]

Actually, I think the grand juries are presented evidence specifically chosen by the prosecutors without there being any other evidence, say from the defendants' attorneys, that is allowed to be presented to the grand jury. Thus, it isn't hard for a Texas prosecutor to, as they say, "indict an ham sandwich." Wasn't it Tom DeLay that was indicted by a grand jury? Didn't he get off because the evidence wasn't sufficient for a conviction? I don't remember for sure on his outcome. At any rate, it is a lot harder to get a conviction than it is to get an indictment.

So, if one of the prosecutors is connected to Planned Parenthood, they would very much be able to skew the evidence shown to the grand jury. Trust me, grand juries aren't always the brightest bulbs in the pack. Same with juries...I had a co-worker that was drawn to be a juror on a drug case. She astounded me when she told me that the rest of the jury had no idea that possession of drugs with the intent to sell was a more serious crime than simple possession.

Personally, I'll just wait to see what the legal system ends up doing in this case.

skew this:

Daleiden’s fake identification card. (Provided by Josh Schaffer)

 

[_CY_]

to me it's never been about if it's a human fetus being aborted?
it's more about telling a woman what to do with her body!

WTF .. sure seems like folks that want smaller government are generally the one's that wants the government to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her own body.