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I'm sorry that you have hearing problems but that doesn't mean you can
It doesn't surprise me you folks would offer up excuses and deflections for what is essentially unsafe behavior while driving. Looking at a phone or other display, while driving, could be avoided. Why not? We went through a century of vehicular travel without cell phones, and the world did just fine.

I forget, it's all about instant gratification at the expense of responsibility. Silly me.
You could try to make your case without the barbs at others. People might listen better that way.
 

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First stereotyping, then grasping at straws?

And no, I can adust the AC by feel. Easy to do, and I don't have to swipe on a screen to find an icon.

Stereo-installing.

So you've used the AC enough while driving that you can operate it by feel. Now get in a rental.

The stereos, AC controls and the app in question all follow the same design pattern. Nobody is squawking over stereos and AC controls distracting drivers. This is also why Waze is not a significant distraction to drivers.
 
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I use it for road trips (worked great for my trip to Houston recently), along with my Escort 8500 radar detector to find the speed traps. Not alot of people using it around my house though.
 

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Stereo-installing.

So you've used the AC enough while driving that you can operate it by feel. Now get in a rental.

The stereos, AC controls and the app in question all follow the same design pattern. Nobody is squawking over stereos and AC controls distracting drivers. This is also why Waze is not a significant distraction to drivers.

If you need more than a few minutes sitting in your driveway to figure out how the AC controls work so you don't need to look at them afterward, I don't know what to tell you.

And no, the AC controls don't work the same way as an app when you have physical knobs vs. touch-screens. Yes, my vehicles are that old :)
 

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I'm sorry that you have hearing problems but that doesn't mean you can

You could try to make your case without the barbs at others. People might listen better that way.

I could, but it's annoying when folks try to justify behavior that could easily be avoided by delaying one's desire for immediate gratification. Driving is a great responsibility, and I see far too many drivers burying their noses in a mobile device. After witnessing two accidents caused by drivers paying more attention to their phones than their driving, and after being rear-ended by another cell phone "driver," I tend to take a rather dim view of such a selfish practice. Fortunately, no damage was done to my truck in the last incident, but I did make some barbed comments to the woman who hit me about looking in my rear view mirror immediately prior to the impact and seeing her looking down and away at her phone. I was sitting at a traffic light, before anyone comments about me not paying attention to the road ahead, and the other two accidents were directly in front of me where I could see the drivers holding up cell phones.
 

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If you need more than a few minutes sitting in your driveway to figure out how the AC controls work so you don't need to look at them afterward, I don't know what to tell you.

And no, the AC controls don't work the same way as an app when you have physical knobs vs. touch-screens. Yes, my vehicles are that old :)

I'd love to see you prove that, but as you can't, off to the gutter it goes.

The controls do follow the same design pattern. The objective is for a control manipulation to be possible by a normal person within 2 seconds, and an overall control task to take a cumulative time not to exceed 12 seconds. This is achieved by the interface of Waze, and is required of stereos, nav systems, AC controls, etc.
There's nothing to be argued against it there. If I put Waze in a dashboard LCD and rebadged it to "Ford Road Reporter" you wouldn't waste anyone's time with this.
 

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I'd love to see you prove that, but as you can't, off to the gutter it goes.

The controls do follow the same design pattern. The objective is for a control manipulation to be possible by a normal person within 2 seconds, and an overall control task to take a cumulative time not to exceed 12 seconds. This is achieved by the interface of Waze, and is required of stereos, nav systems, AC controls, etc.
There's nothing to be argued against it there. If I put Waze in a dashboard LCD and rebadged it to "Ford Road Reporter" you wouldn't waste anyone's time with this.

Clarify overall control task? Not being a smart ass, but I don't know if something designed to be done within 12 seconds (1,080 feet at 60 mph or 1,260 feet at 70mph) necessarily makes something "safe" to use while driving.
 

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I'd love to see you prove that, but as you can't, off to the gutter it goes.

The controls do follow the same design pattern. The objective is for a control manipulation to be possible by a normal person within 2 seconds, and an overall control task to take a cumulative time not to exceed 12 seconds. This is achieved by the interface of Waze, and is required of stereos, nav systems, AC controls, etc.
There's nothing to be argued against it there. If I put Waze in a dashboard LCD and rebadged it to "Ford Road Reporter" you wouldn't waste anyone's time with this.

If I understand you correctly, you're talking about engaging in a distracting activity, while driving a car, that can take that long? I must not be reading it right, because there is no way any activity can be developed, much less sanctioned, that would require a driver to divert attention for that long from the real purpose of being behind the steering wheel of a vehicle, while underway. That's just beyond the pale of what would be reasonable.

As for wasting anyone's time, you could just admit that the use of a cell phone while driving is not defensible the vast majority of the time. The amount of time you've put into this argument makes me wonder if you're one of "those" people who use a cell phone regularly while driving. I hope that never results in an accident for you, but given the studies which have proven that cell phone usage, whether hands-on or hands-free, result in a greater likelihood of an accident (4X to 25X greater chance), I'm not sure you'll beat the odds for too long.

I'm all for letting people do what they want, but if that results in a fender bender, and potential injury, involving other people who had nothing to do with using a cell phone while driving, then I take exception to such a practice.
 

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If I understand you correctly, you're talking about engaging in a distracting activity, while driving a car, that can take that long? I must not be reading it right, because there is no way any activity can be developed, much less sanctioned, that would require a driver to divert attention for that long from the real purpose of being behind the steering wheel of a vehicle, while underway. That's just beyond the pale of what would be reasonable.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/staticfiles/rulemaking/pdf/Distraction_NPFG-02162012.pdf
"The NHTSA Guidelines recommend that devices be designed so that tasks can be completed by the driver while driving with glances away from the roadway of 2 seconds or less and a cumulative time spent glancing away from the roadway of 12 seconds or less. "

As for wasting anyone's time, you could just admit that the use of a cell phone while driving is not defensible the vast majority of the time.
We have been talking specifically about Waze and not at all about broader cell phone use.
 

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