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The truest hypocrisy here is each side thinking they’re not hypocrital while judging the other groups hypocrisy. People **** about the president daily regardless of who’s in the office. People said stuff about obama and Michelle fail that would have gotten a show cancelled if in a different situation, just as people talked about George and Laura before that. Biases are definitely present but “social justice,” (for lack of a better word) is a pendulum that swings left to right and right to left every handful of years. acting as if it’s new and different each time comes with it’s iwn set of blinders. So, yes confirmation bias is ithe cute buzz word of the minute but it fits the situation.

Again the "it's all the same" rhetoric is cute but just doesn't hold water. Naturally, on a fundamental level there's criticism of every President along with a ton of humor... no worries. However, you'd have to be absolutely blind to have missed the media defense of Obama. Whereas now, again, it's a constant barrage. It translates to left or right leanings as well even on a subtle level.

Imagine if a country singer had held Obama's capitated head on stage? Ya think it would be translated to racism? Maybe? or just plain criticism?
 

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Again the "it's all the same" rhetoric is cute but just doesn't hold water. Naturally, on a fundamental level there's criticism of every President along with a ton of humor... no worries. However, you'd have to be absolutely blind to have missed the media defense of Obama. Whereas now, again, it's a constant barrage. It translates to left or right leanings as well even on a subtle level.

Imagine if a country singer had held Obama's capitated head on stage? Ya think it would be translated to racism? Maybe? or just plain criticism?
Perhaps we watched different media agencies back then, because I definitely remember a constant barrage of anti obama from a few, just as iceberg seen a few defend trump. Not long gone are the the days of obama’s Terrorist fist jabs, secret Muslim messages, hidden gay lifestyles, birth certificates, connections to isis, and all sorts of stuff.
Name the last president that actually got fair and balanced treatment from all media sources?

I don’t know if a country singer holding obama’s Head on stage would be translated to racism. It is very possible, the race card IS over used today, but it would heavily depend on the artist and his/her history. I can think of a couple that would probably get away with it.
 
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I don’t know if a country singer holding obama’s Head on stage would be translated to racism. It is very possible, the race card IS over used today, but it would heavily depend on the artist and his/her history. I can think of a couple that would probably get away with it.

So you're telling me you're completely oblivious to the constant cries of racism and bigotry from the left starting with Obama's election in lieu of any real discussion? Hell it was so strong, it was what got Trump elected.
 

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So you're telling me you're completely oblivious to the constant cries of racism and bigotry from the left starting with Obama's election in lieu of any real discussion? Hell it was so strong, it was what got Trump elected.
Nice straw man,
Do I think the race/ bigot card was used more after obama got elected, sure. Did I see and hear more overt racism/ bigotry in that time, yep. Do I think it applied in every case, no.


To think this is one sided is well, just ignorant.
 

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Again the "it's all the same" rhetoric is cute but just doesn't hold water. Naturally, on a fundamental level there's criticism of every President along with a ton of humor... no worries. However, you'd have to be absolutely blind to have missed the media defense of Obama. Whereas now, again, it's a constant barrage. It translates to left or right leanings as well even on a subtle level.

Imagine if a country singer had held Obama's capitated head on stage? Ya think it would be translated to racism? Maybe? or just plain criticism?

I don't think it matters, because as was stated earlier, this is oranges to apples. You can't compare Ted Nugent from 24 years ago or even Bill Maher from 17 years ago. The climate is COMPLETELY different now than it was then. It's different even than it was after GWB's post 9/11 star lost it's shine. It's different than it was after Katrina.

What we're seeing today is a concerted effort to overthrow a legitimate presidential administration using nothing but pure hatred and invective. Even when we were busy bitching about Obama for 8 years, we lacked one critical feature, a bully pulpit. We preached to the choir and generally just commiserated, just as they do over on DU or Daily Kos now about Trump. The difference are the number of powerful enemies with national audiences and serious federal government titles in front of their names, who are actively undermining this administration every. single. day. without. reprieve.

It's a constant avalanche of negative coverage and it's absolutely designed to take the administration down. Being somewhat jaded, I recognize that it's no coincidence that Bee aired this attack the day before her televised "Honors" award from the Television Academy. It was a pre-planned attack designed to increase ratings for the award show, which would've otherwise flopped entirely. Instead, people tuned in to see whether she'd be contrite or righteous for calling Ivanka a c__t. Well she didn't disappoint her faithful followers:

“You know, the thing is our show is steeped in passion. Every week I strive to show the world as I see it, unfiltered. Sometimes I should probably have a filter. I accept that. I take it seriously when I get it right and I do take responsibility when I get it wrong,”

“Our piece attracted controversy of the worst kind,” Bee said of the segment about the Trump administration’s immigration and border policies that ended with her calling Ivanka Trump a “feckless ****” who needed to “do something about [her] dad’s immigration practices.”

“We spent the day wrestling with the repercussions of one bad word, when we all should have spent the day incensed that as a nation we are wrenching children from their parents and treating people legally seeking asylum as criminals,” Bee added. “If we are OK with that then really, who are we?”

First of all, you're Canadian. You became a U.S. citizen in 2014, but you retain Canadian citizenship and you're obviously not assimilated here. Your husband is likewise hyphenated Canadian-American, with Canadian being first.

Second, those people are NOT legally seeking asylum. They're entering the country illegally. They're not running to a U.S. Consulate to request asylum, they're crossing the river and vanishing into this country's population. Do we allow people apprehended for crimes to take their children to jail with them? NO! If we did, we'd be labeled heinous racists for imprisoning children! It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. The official U.S. policy is to try and place the minor children with extended family members within the U.S. Now they're saying the U.S. has "lost" 1,500 kids. Hmm, could those be the kids placed with Uncle Jose' or Aunt Maria? Are those families migratory? Might they not leave a convenient paper trail for La Migra to come and take those kids back? This isn't rocket surgery folks!

So I don't give her a pass at all. I don't give TBS a pass either, because this was all carefully planned in advance, and it's ********. Pure propaganda. So this is absolutely apples and oranges and there IS a double standard. One was off the clock and off the cuff. The other was a carefully devised and planned event. Confirmation bias just doesn't apply if you look at ALL the facts. JMO, YMMV
 

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Again the "it's all the same" rhetoric is cute but just doesn't hold water. Naturally, on a fundamental level there's criticism of every President along with a ton of humor... no worries. However, you'd have to be absolutely blind to have missed the media defense of Obama. Whereas now, again, it's a constant barrage. It translates to left or right leanings as well even on a subtle level.

Imagine if a country singer had held Obama's capitated head on stage? Ya think it would be translated to racism? Maybe? or just plain criticism?

Or even if a rodeo clown wore an Obama mask, he might have even been fired!!!!! lol
 

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Nice straw man,
Do I think the race/ bigot card was used more after obama got elected, sure. Did I see and hear more overt racism/ bigotry in that time, yep. Do I think it applied in every case, no.


To think this is one sided is well, just ignorant.

It's not strawman, that's a rhetorical statement and I never changed the parameters of what I'm speaking about. You just got mad because your ho-hum response was BS. Any criticism thrown Obama's way was met with a racism or bigotry response..... just imagine if we put a scenario Trump has been in and transplanted Obama into it.

I never said anything about being completely one-sided per sey, I am providing that there's a laughable double standard.
 

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What we're seeing today is a concerted effort to overthrow a legitimate presidential administration using nothing but pure hatred and invective. Even when we were busy *****ing about Obama for 8 years, we lacked one critical feature, a bully pulpit. We preached to the choir and generally just commiserated, just as they do over on DU or Daily Kos now about Trump. The difference are the number of powerful enemies with national audiences and serious federal government titles in front of their names, who are actively undermining this administration every. single. day. without. reprieve.

This is so damn true. And just look at the fact that Trump is excelling in spite of all of it and consider what it could be without all the adversity.


It's a constant avalanche of negative coverage and it's absolutely designed to take the administration down. Being somewhat jaded, I recognize that it's no coincidence that Bee aired this attack the day before her televised "Honors" award from the Television Academy. It was a pre-planned attack designed to increase ratings for the award show, which would've otherwise flopped entirely. Instead, people tuned in to see whether she'd be contrite or righteous for calling Ivanka a c__t. Well she didn't disappoint her faithful followers:

Can you imagine what would have happened if the same was said about Chelsea Clinton? My God Hillary would have snatched the big red button from Bill and hammered it after retargeting!

See above...
 

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