You have my empathy and respect. I was physically abused as a child (not to the extent you were) and I understand. It takes a person with spirit to rise above one's environment and "do better". Thank you for that.
You have my empathy and respect. I was physically abused as a child (not to the extent you were) and I understand. It takes a person with spirit to rise above one's environment and "do better". Thank you for that.
I hate to hear about children being abused.
You have mine also.
I have disowned that part of my family they are bad people .. but regulars at their church and mother was sunday school teacher. Yeow!
I wish there was an easy or any fix for mental illness. Not that I need it
You have mine also.
I have disowned that part of my family they are bad people .. but regulars at their church and mother was sunday school teacher. Yeow!
I wish there was an easy or any fix for mental illness. Not that I need it
And this is why we must fight background checks that include mental illness diagnosis. Those diagnosis are often wrong. Mental ill diagnosis are opinion based, many times by “professionals” that have fewer college hours than I do.
EXACTLY! This paragraph goes to the heart of the matter in reference to those individuals who were traditionally institutionalized in state hospitals:
I fail to see how jail, prison or living under a freeway overpass is better than what we had previously.
Honestly, you have three options:
1. Pay for the problem to be taken care of.
2. Accept the problem and any consequences resulting from not paying for said problem to be taken care of.
3. Avoid society as a whole, i.e., become a mountain hermit, or move to a deserted island.
There really are no other options.
Tough call since there were so many reports of abuses in the asylums. But it's also notable that the article stated that "From the beginning, it was clear that CMHCs were not interested in taking care of the patients being discharged from the state hospitals. Instead, they focused on individuals with less severe problems sometimes called "the worried well." We have to ask why that was how it went. Was it because they couldn't help some of the worst cases so they concentrated on those they thought they could help, or was it because like we have seen with other Gov. funded private entities that the easy and most profitable was the path chosen. I worked at Parkside for a couple of years, I saw some regulars who were brought in by the cops over and over who stayed there doing the Thorazine shuffle(to make them tolerable and manageable) until their time limit was up and they were released. Then there were others(regulars and first timers) who often were put there for criminal acts but excused from jail because of their illness, they got light meds and fun little counseling sessions and coloring books until they were released. Question is should some of them been held responsible for their actions with jail so the more serious cases could have been worked with more?
I agree that the abuses in asylums were horrible. But instead of addressing the root cause of the abuses, they scrapped the entire system and implemented a "system" that was irretrievably broken from Day One. How stupid was that?
Some of them should be held accountable for their actions yes, but whether that accountability should be jail, prison or a custodial treatment facility should be for judges and juries to decide. DA's and law enforcement aren't trained or equipped to make those decisions on a routine basis, nor should they be burdened with that responsibility.
Yes, and as pointed out in another post those diagnosis have been known to change over time. Also notable is the fact that there are people in the military diagnosed and on meds but they're still allowed to serve and have access to weapons so no a simple diagnosis shouldn't be the "line".
I agree that the abuses in asylums were horrible. But instead of addressing the root cause of the abuses, they scrapped the entire system and implemented a "system" that was irretrievably broken from Day One. How stupid was that?
Some of them should be held accountable for their actions yes, but whether that accountability should be jail, prison or a custodial treatment facility should be for judges and juries to decide. DA's and law enforcement aren't trained or equipped to make those decisions on a routine basis, nor should they be burdened with that responsibility.
Your first statement was almost right,except it was "very stupid". As for the second part I agree but in the cases I was talking about LEO's were making those calls but it was said to have come from above because someone didn't want certain types in the jail and with a prior diagnosis they'd just be transferred back anyway if the offense wasn't too serious. As for making some of these calls maybe it should be a jury since we've seen some notable cases where DA's act political and judges use poor judgment, another tough call.
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
I always point out that we have a legal system, not a "justice" system. Justice is blind and what we currently have is very much NOT blind. I can tell you for an absolute certainty that if the legal system can see one thing, it's expense reports. All defendants are not equal under the law and a so long as there've been rich and powerful people, we've known that deep down. But what many people don't know is that not all defendants are also not equal because some cost the state far more than others. If you commit a crime and go to jail, but you're unwell and require extensive medical attention? You may wind up costing more than it's worth to keep you incarcerated. They will literally drop charges and kick criminals/severely mentally ill people out of jail, reduce sentences, parole then early, etc. if they cost more to house and treat than the outrage of the public demands.
I'm not saying they'd kick someone like Charlie Manson out early because it costs a lot to keep him alive, but if you haven't killed or severely injured anyone, your poor health may be your get out of jail free card.
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
I always point out that we have a legal system, not a "justice" system. Justice is blind and what we currently have is very much NOT blind. I can tell you for an absolute certainty that if the legal system can see one thing, it's expense reports. All defendants are not equal under the law and a so long as there've been rich and powerful people, we've known that deep down. But what many people don't know is that not all defendants are also not equal because some cost the state far more than others. If you commit a crime and go to jail, but you're unwell and require extensive medical attention? You may wind up costing more than it's worth to keep you incarcerated. They will literally drop charges and kick criminals/severely mentally ill people out of jail, reduce sentences, parole then early, etc. if they cost more to house and treat than the outrage of the public demands.
I'm not saying they'd kick someone like Charlie Manson out early because it costs a lot to keep him alive, but if you haven't killed or severely injured anyone, your poor health may be your get out of jail free card.
Sorry I broke the flow there, got hung up. Yeah about a dozen years or so ago my buddy got picked up on an old traffic warrant. So I went down to the police officer jail to bail him out. I paid the bail/fine and then the officer said it was dinner, visitation or something and it would be 4-5 hours or so before he'd be processed out. So I said ok, I'm going to run get his meds because he's a double amputee and has some kind of meds he has to take on time for circulation and he's also going to need to take his legs off at some point to give his stumps a break without anyone jacking with him...she stopped me and said hold on. She disappeared and he came walking down the hall about 15 min. later. He said an officer had come to him and tapped his legs and then said your out.
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