ATF Final Rule Redefines Word ‘Sale’ So that ‘Bartering’ for a Neighbor’s Gun Requires a NICS Check

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One only needs to look at the political prisoners still in jail without being charged with any crime for trespassing on January 6th. Our current leaders are violating Constitutional rights every day. They will have no problem gunning you down in front of your family if you challenge them. We are living in a dangerous period, I hope somehow it can turn itself around. Instead of buying a few boxes of ammo, send a donation to one of the gun rights groups. They are the only reason we still have any firearms at all.
 

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Read more: https://www.ammoland.com/2023/09/bi...ll-eliminate-private-gun-sales/#ixzz8XTccegZK
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The rule would make it so that anyone who rents a table at a gun show will be assumed to be in the business of selling firearms, meaning that private citizens will no longer be able to sell their firearms at any gun show. Also, if someone advertises their firearms for sale, they could be assumed to be in the business of selling firearms, which will shut down most private sales. The rule reads:​

“Based on this decades-long body of experience, the proposed rule provides that, absent reliable evidence to the contrary, a person is presumed to have the intent to “predominantly earn a profit” when the person: (1) advertises, markets, or otherwise promotes a firearms business (e.g., advertises or posts firearms for sale, including on any website, establishes a website for selling or offering for sale their firearms, makes available business cards, or tags firearms with sales prices), regardless of whether the person incurs expenses or only promotes the business informally;94 (2) purchases, rents, or otherwise secures or sets aside permanent or temporary physical space to display or store firearms they offer for sale, including part or all of a business premises, table or space at a gun show, or display case;95 (3) makes or maintains records, in any form, to document, track, or calculate profits and losses from firearms purchases and sales;96 (4) purchases or otherwise secures merchant services as a business (e.g., credit card transaction services, digital wallet for business) through which the person makes or offers to make payments for firearms transactions;97 (5) formally or informally purchases, hires, or otherwise secures business security services (e.g., a central station-monitored security) system registered to a business,98 or guards for security99) to protect business assets or transactions that include firearms; (6) formally or informally establishes a business entity, trade name, or online business account, including an account using a business name on a social media or other website, through which the person makes or offers to make firearms transactions;100 (7) secures or applies for a State or local business license to purchase for resale or to sell merchandise that includes firearms; or (8) purchases a business insurance policy, including any riders that cover firearms inventory. 101 Any of these nonexclusive, firearms-business-related activities justifies a rebuttable presumption that the person has the requisite intent to predominantly earn a profit from reselling or disposing of firearms.”
By requiring more people to get FFLs, it will prevent a lot of Americans from selling guns. The secondary market has been an excellent way for those less fortunate to acquire the means of protection. Those who choose to get an FFL will be subject to unannounced warrantless inspections. These inspections have been used to revoke gun shop’s FFLs under the Biden Administration’s zero-tolerance policy.

FFL revocation is up between 350% and 500% and is currently at a 17-year high. The amount of record keeping, cost, and hostile environment created by the ATF could mean that many will not get an FFL to sell their firearms, which could be part of Biden’s plan.
 

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The rule would make it so that anyone who rents a table at a gun show will be assumed to be in the business of selling firearms, meaning that private citizens will no longer be able to sell their firearms at any gun show. Also, if someone advertises their firearms for sale, they could be assumed to be in the business of selling firearms, which will shut down most private sales. The rule reads:​


By requiring more people to get FFLs, it will prevent a lot of Americans from selling guns. The secondary market has been an excellent way for those less fortunate to acquire the means of protection. Those who choose to get an FFL will be subject to unannounced warrantless inspections. These inspections have been used to revoke gun shop’s FFLs under the Biden Administration’s zero-tolerance policy.

FFL revocation is up between 350% and 500% and is currently at a 17-year high. The amount of record keeping, cost, and hostile environment created by the ATF could mean that many will not get an FFL to sell their firearms, which could be part of Biden’s plan.
Where is the citation for your statement:
Also, if someone advertises their firearms for sale, they could be assumed to be in the business of selling firearms, which will shut down most private sales.

Unless I’m mistaken, it looks like #1 from the proposed change doesn’t say that. It says advertising as part of a “business”
 

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Only is one is dumb enough to comply. Government does not make laws. Citizens' compliance makes laws. It's our choice.
Which is why they need more red flag laws now to make citizens aware that their neighbor isn't just simply getting his pepa's old duck gun .He is actually trafficking firearms and probably holds to the old ways of thinking and beliefs. Think of how much effort the fed gov has put into demonizing what has always been just plain normal.So now to enforce the new wordings to a rule , they will make the incentives for alerting law enforcement about the crazy old dude next door. Defiance and not complying works as long as the folks next door are as dedicated as you.
 

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Uh oh, looks like a lot of prices are going to have to come down to pre panic days if this is true.

the proposed rule provides that, absent reliable evidence to the contrary, a person is presumed to have the intent to “predominantly earn a profit”
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Uh oh, looks like a lot of prices are going to have to come down to pre panic days if this is true.

the proposed rule provides that, absent reliable evidence to the contrary, a person is presumed to have the intent to “predominantly earn a profit”
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IANAL, but I’m pretty sure that wouldn’t comport with federal rules of evidence? :anyone:
 

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