New 4473 coming 2023

[joegrizzy]

for instance; why isn't the government passing new stricter immigration laws?
why is it *always* gun stuff?

don't ya think 50,000,000 criminals are more dangerous than the law abiding gun owners they are trying to entrap?

doesn't the federal government literally have a contract with the citizens (not the illegal citizens) that say "we will use your tax dollars to enforce these borders wherein we will enforce this set of laws"?

if they break that contract, what right do they have to govern? what right do they have to collect taxes?

are they even a government at all? have they lost the right to call themselves one?

 

[L.C.]

Notice Regarding Recent Changes to the ATF Form 4473​

Due to new statutory requirements set forth in both the NICS Denial Notification Actand the Bipartisan Safer Community Act (BSCA), and to reflect the implementation of ATF Final Rule 2021R-05F, ATF Form 4473 has been revised. Because the new statutory requirements are designed to enhance public safety, and to ensure compliance with these provisions and Final Rule 2021R-05F, the Office of Management and Budget has provided emergency authorization to ATF to immediately use the revised Form 4473. ATF will be publishing the Revised Form for Notice and Comment Review in the coming months.

ATF encourages all federal firearms licensees (FFLs) to begin using the Amended Form immediately. The Revised Form is available on ATF’s website, and can be downloaded and printed for immediate use. Please note that the entire Form, including instructions, must be printed, and stored together. Hard copies of the Revised Form will be available through the ATF Distribution Center beginning February 1, 2023. The ATF eForm 4473 application is also being revised and notification will be sent when it is ready for use.

Significant changes in the Revised Form are as follows:

• Any firearm, received by a FFL, that was privately made (not manufactured by another licensee) must now be recorded on the ATF Form 4473. “Privately Made Firearm (PMF)” has been added to item 1, Section A. It now reads: “Manufacturer and Importer, if any or Privately made firearm (PMF) (If the manufacturer and importer are both different, include both)”.
• Question 10 is amended: The transferee/buyer is now asked to answer whether they “Reside in City Limits?” regarding their residence address. For example, if a transferee lists their residence city/state as Phoenix, Arizona but they actually reside outside of the city, they will answer “no” to this item.
• The following two prohibiting questions have been added to Section B:
  
  • 21b: “Do you intend to purchase or acquire any firearm listed on this form and any continuation sheet(s) or ammunition, for sale of other disposition to any person described in questions 21(c)-(m) or to a person described in question 21.n.1 who does not fall within a nonimmigrant exception?”
    
  • 21.c.: “Do you intend to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm listed on this form and any continuation sheet(s) or ammunition in furtherance of any felony or other offense punishable by imprisonment for a term of more than one year, a Federal crime of terrorism, or a drug trafficking offense?”
    
• To comply with the BSCA 10-day waiting period on certain transfers involving transferees under the age of 21, Section C of the Form has been revised as follows:
  
  • Prior to the NICS/POC information, an instructional header has been added stating: “Notice: If transferee/buyer is under 21, a waiting period of up to 10 days may apply where notification from NICS is received within 3 business days to further investigate a possible disqualifying juvenile record. A NICS check is only valid for 30 calendar days from the date recorded in question 27a.”
    
  • Item 27.c. was amended to show the date an FFL may transfer a firearm should NICS or the State agency (conducting the background check) not reply stating more time is needed for the check. It now reads next to the delayed check box: “The firearm(s) may be transferred on ____ if time period is not extended by NICS or the appropriate State agency, and State law allows (optional).”
    
  • A box has been added to 27.d. should NICS or the appropriate State agency delay the check as more time is needed to conduct it on a transferee under 21 years of age. It now reads: “Notice of additional delay of transferee under 21 years of age received on _______ (date), and may be transferred on _________ (date)."
    
  • Also added to 27.d. is a box for FFLs to check should no response be received from NICS or the appropriate State agency (for transferees under 21 years of age) within 10 business days after the initial delay was given. It now reads: “No response was provided within 10 business days after initial delay for transferee/buyer under 21.”

A detailed list of all changes can be found at ATF - Revised 4473. The revised form will become mandatory for use on April 1, 2023. Please contact your local ATF Industry Operations office should you have any questions regarding the changes to the form.

 

[red442joe]

for instance; why isn't the government passing new stricter immigration laws?
why is it *always* gun stuff?

don't ya think 50,000,000 criminals are more dangerous than the law abiding gun owners they are trying to entrap?

doesn't the federal government literally have a contract with the citizens (not the illegal citizens) that say "we will use your tax dollars to enforce these borders wherein we will enforce this set of laws"?

if they break that contract, what right do they have to govern? what right do they have to collect taxes?

are they even a government at all? have they lost the right to call themselves one?

Tyranny
Tyranny
Yes
Yes
None
None
No
Yes

Joe

 

[DavidMcmillan]

Joey, try reading again. I did not say that .gov was right in having paperwork for purchase. I did say that there are way too many people running around with firearms that shouldn't even have a computer keyboard. Yes, most of them obtained the weapons illegally, but, as we have seen recently, many have jumped through the current ATF hoops.

We are currently discussing a new form for purchase. We can discuss illegal immigrants in another thread.

 

[HillsideDesolate]

 

[Rez Exelon]

Joey, try reading again. I did not say that .gov was right in having paperwork for purchase. I did say that there are way too many people running around with firearms that shouldn't even have a computer keyboard. Yes, most of them obtained the weapons illegally, but, as we have seen recently, many have jumped through the current ATF hoops.

We are currently discussing a new form for purchase. We can discuss illegal immigrants in another thread.

I don't know that "most" obtained the weapons illegally. I've not seen numbers, but it seems like "most" might be a stretch in that statement.

But as far as trying to stay on track with the form, I'm all for that.

I do find it very curious the question about city limits and how that might be relevant in the least. The best I can come up with is if there are cities that have prohibitions where people live outside the city limits but have that city as their address because of how the post office is setup.

 

[El Pablo]

I don't know that "most" obtained the weapons illegally. I've not seen numbers, but it seems like "most" might be a stretch in that statement.

But as far as trying to stay on track with the form, I'm all for that.

I do find it very curious the question about city limits and how that might be relevant in the least. The best I can come up with is if there are cities that have prohibitions where people live outside the city limits but have that city as their address because of how the post office is setup.

I’m in that boat, also. People are really stupid and don’t understand mailing address vs street address. Wonder if they get charged when they answer the city limits question wrong,

 

[rickm]

Around here alot of people have no idea if they live inside the city limits or outside.

 

[Catt57]

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I’m in that boat, also. People are really stupid and don’t understand mailing address vs street address. Wonder if they get charged when they answer the city limits question wrowrong

And what if you live in one city's limits but have the address of a different city? How should you answer?

I had that exact scenario when I lived in Warr Acres but had a Bethany address.

 

[trekrok]

I’m in that boat, also. People are really stupid and don’t understand mailing address vs street address. Wonder if they get charged when they answer the city limits question wrong,

Seems like a gotcha question should they need one.