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TedKennedy

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You're 100% right Lurker. I still like the good old Democrats (pre-communist ones) - Andrew Jackson, in particular. At least you knew where he stood.
 

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Hobbes, I'll agree with some of your points, but I ain't buying this one.
The 2004 Ohio presidential general election has been widely criticized for the
affect of extremely long lines on the exercise of the elective franchise.
Across the state, long wait times reportedly forced some voters to leave their polling places without voting in order to attend work, school or family
responsibilities. Additionally, other voters left because their physical disabilities prevented them from standing in line.

Voters who could wait, however, stood in line s for up to 12 hours in order to vote.

In Knox County, students attending Kenyon College stood in line for 10 hours.
The last voter to cast a ballot did so around 4:00a.m.

In some neighborhoods of Columbus, voters waited in the rain for up to four hours.
Due to the wait, some elections observers estimate that 15,000 voters left their Columbus polling locations without voting.

Further, voters faced long lines and crowded precincts in other urban areas such as Youngstown and Toledo, where many voters apparently left without voting.

The long waits stemmed, in part, from an inadequate allocation of voting machines.
County boards of elections allocated voting equipment using voting figures from the 2002 gubernatorial election.
However, in 2002,only 3.3 million Ohioans cast their vote.

Those Ohioans made up 40% of registered voters in the state.
In 2004, nearly 5.7 million Ohioans (67.9% of registered voters) went to the polls to cast their vote.
Franklin County voters suffered from one of the most disproportionate allocation s of voting machines.
The county board supplied 2,866 machines for its 788 precincts.

Despite an increased turnout of about 25% from the 2000 election, the county board reduced the number of machines in 217 of its precincts.
More than half of Franklin County’s preci ncts offered the same number of voting machines in 2000 and 2004.
Some studies claim that, given the 515,472 people who cast a vote in the county, the board of elections should have supplied roughly 5,000 voting machines.


http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/upload/news/20090824.pdf

You can get by with fewer voting machines as long as you allow more total hours to vote.
But when officials restrict the number of voting hours AND the number of voting machines at the smae time the intent is rather obvious.
 

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The 2004 Ohio presidential general election has been widely criticized for the
affect of extremely long lines on the exercise of the elective franchise.
Across the state, long wait times reportedly forced some voters to leave their polling places without voting in order to attend work, school or family
responsibilities. Additionally, other voters left because their physical disabilities prevented them from standing in line.

Voters who could wait, however, stood in line s for up to 12 hours in order to vote.

In Knox County, students attending Kenyon College stood in line for 10 hours.
The last voter to cast a ballot did so around 4:00a.m.

In some neighborhoods of Columbus, voters waited in the rain for up to four hours.
Due to the wait, some elections observers estimate that 15,000 voters left their Columbus polling locations without voting.

Further, voters faced long lines and crowded precincts in other urban areas such as Youngstown and Toledo, where many voters apparently left without voting.

The long waits stemmed, in part, from an inadequate allocation of voting machines.
County boards of elections allocated voting equipment using voting figures from the 2002 gubernatorial election.
However, in 2002,only 3.3 million Ohioans cast their vote.

Those Ohioans made up 40% of registered voters in the state.
In 2004, nearly 5.7 million Ohioans (67.9% of registered voters) went to the polls to cast their vote.
Franklin County voters suffered from one of the most disproportionate allocation s of voting machines.
The county board supplied 2,866 machines for its 788 precincts.

Despite an increased turnout of about 25% from the 2000 election, the county board reduced the number of machines in 217 of its precincts.
More than half of Franklin County’s preci ncts offered the same number of voting machines in 2000 and 2004.
Some studies claim that, given the 515,472 people who cast a vote in the county, the board of elections should have supplied roughly 5,000 voting machines.


http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/upload/news/20090824.pdf

You can get by with fewer voting machines as long as you allow more total hours to vote.
But when officials restrict the number of voting hours AND the number of voting machines at the smae time the intent is rather obvious.

It probably didn't help that many of those voters were dead and even more could not read the ballots.

Seriously though, an unprecedented increase in voters could not have been forecasted well enough to prevent the debacle in Ohio. That doesn't mean that we need longer hours. Put more machines in place. No voter should need to spend more than 30 minutes at the polls.
 

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The 2004 Ohio presidential general election has been widely criticized for the
affect of extremely long lines on the exercise of the elective franchise.
Across the state, long wait times reportedly forced some voters to leave their polling places without voting in order to attend work, school or family
responsibilities. Additionally, other voters left because their physical disabilities prevented them from standing in line.

Voters who could wait, however, stood in line s for up to 12 hours in order to vote.

In Knox County, students attending Kenyon College stood in line for 10 hours.
The last voter to cast a ballot did so around 4:00a.m.

In some neighborhoods of Columbus, voters waited in the rain for up to four hours.
Due to the wait, some elections observers estimate that 15,000 voters left their Columbus polling locations without voting.

Further, voters faced long lines and crowded precincts in other urban areas such as Youngstown and Toledo, where many voters apparently left without voting.

The long waits stemmed, in part, from an inadequate allocation of voting machines.
County boards of elections allocated voting equipment using voting figures from the 2002 gubernatorial election.
However, in 2002,only 3.3 million Ohioans cast their vote.

Those Ohioans made up 40% of registered voters in the state.
In 2004, nearly 5.7 million Ohioans (67.9% of registered voters) went to the polls to cast their vote.
Franklin County voters suffered from one of the most disproportionate allocation s of voting machines.
The county board supplied 2,866 machines for its 788 precincts.

Despite an increased turnout of about 25% from the 2000 election, the county board reduced the number of machines in 217 of its precincts.
More than half of Franklin County’s preci ncts offered the same number of voting machines in 2000 and 2004.
Some studies claim that, given the 515,472 people who cast a vote in the county, the board of elections should have supplied roughly 5,000 voting machines.


http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/upload/news/20090824.pdf

You can get by with fewer voting machines as long as you allow more total hours to vote.
But when officials restrict the number of voting hours AND the number of voting machines at the smae time the intent is rather obvious.

As a disproportionate number of conservatives were the ones who had to leave to go to work, are you arguing that this was a liberal plot?
Or, is the basis of your argument that conservatives control the election boards in liberal counties?

Certainly a debacle, but I don't see a "vast right-wing conspiracy" here.
Anyhow, how does requiring voter ID have anything to do with a lack of voting machines or hours to vote?
 

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It probably didn't help that many of those voters were dead and even more could not read the ballots.

Seriously though, an unprecedented increase in voters could not have been forecasted well enough to prevent the debacle in Ohio. That doesn't mean that we need longer hours. Put more machines in place. No voter should need to spend more than 30 minutes at the polls.
To be fair, Ohio election officials didn't shorten early voting periods for all Ohioans.
They only shortened early voting in predominately democratic voting areas and expanded early voting in republican areas.
http://www.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/201208052259/NEWS0106/308050053

While that is certainly partisan it's not what I would call conservative.
 

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And this is the liberal talking points right up until the election and several weeks after.
The GOP's supposed "War On Women" talking point has not worked, AP poll says women favor the GOP this election.
Demonize the Koch brothers has not worked, most voters still say "Koch who?"
Blacks are not excited enough by the Dem candidates to turn out to vote in large numbers, partly because they are catching on to the fact that all the illegals Obama and cronies want to let in will be taking low skilled jobs many blacks are stuck with.
They have tried the race playing card with limited results. (I think the lynching flyer was a bit much)
So knowing they are about to get their a$$ handed to them, they can only blame unfair voting rules. Much better then admitting people are sick of them and their liberal policies.
 

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