Official OSA COVID-19/Corona Virus Thread

[CHenry]

Go test a donkey and an apple, they are both positive.

 

[OKCHunter]

You mean the over 50 crowd with lots of other comorbidity?

Nope - with one or more comorbidity.

 

[Okie4570]

True, their mortality rate is much lower. But, not the mortality rate of their parents, grandparents, professors, school maintenance, school admin, and the elderly in the general public that they WILL come in contact with. I just don’t see how you can ignore that fact.

Your comment about no time to come in contact with others is really laughable. I had a sister in a Sorority and she had as much free time, if not more social time, than I did. What’s your basis for making the statement on no time available by Sorority members?

So they as a family need to decide if it's safe for their son or daughter to come to school based on each families risk, not the school decide for each family by just keeping it closed or even distance learning(pointless). Same for the teachers and staff........their work place now has a new potential risk, and one they'll have to decide if they can continue or not. Folks change careers based on new workplace changes, risks, etc frequently. Weigh the risks and stay, or find something else. Teachers leave the profession frequently because of a hazardous workplace conditions, that's nothing new. They don't just say "I think it's dangerous, I'll just teach from home". lol

 

[chuter]

https://uncoverdc.com/2020/04/07/was-the-covid-19-test-meant-to-detect-a-virus/

I find this article long and poorly written, I haven't even finished it.
But just skimming it, here are a few points.
We have abandoned the concept of diagnosing people as sick because they have symptoms, and now we use lab test to decree that someone is sick, even if they are not.
Basically, this is a giant bunch of BS and the world is crumbling because of it.

A PCR test is what's usually used to 'diagnose' covid 19, confirmed by my wife who works in a microbiology lab.

What do we mean when we say a person “tests positive” for Covid-19?

We don’t actually mean they have been found to “have” it.

We’ve been hijacked by our technologies, but left illiterate about what they actually mean. In this case, I am in the rare position of having known, spent time with, and interviewed the inventor of the method used in the presently available Covid-19 tests, which is called PCR, (Polymerase Chain Reaction.)

In the US, we have all but abandoned classical diagnostic medicine in favor of biotech, or lab result medicine. This has been going on for a long time and is a dangerous turning. The “Corona test” is named with characteristic tech-tedium: “CDC 2019-nCoV Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel.” That means it is a needle in a DNA haystack test. A PCR test.

It finds fragments, nucleic acids. From an email from Kary Mullis, to the widow of boxer Tommy Morrison, whose career and life were destroyed by an “HIV test,” and who litigated ferociously for years, against test manufacturers, Dr. Mullis wrote, on May 7, 2013:

“PCR detects a very small segment of the nucleic acid which is part of a virus itself. The specific fragment detected is determined by the somewhat arbitrary choice of DNA primers used which become the ends of the amplified fragment. “

If things were done right, “infection” would be a far cry from a positive PCR test.

“You have to have a whopping amount of any organism to cause symptoms. Huge amounts of it,” Dr. David Rasnick, bio-chemist, protease developer, and former founder of an EM lab called Viral Forensics told me. “You don’t start with testing; you start with listening to the lungs. I’m skeptical that a PRC test is ever true. It’s a great scientific research tool. It’s a horrible tool for clinical medicine. 30% of your infected cells have been killed before you show symptoms. By the time you show symptoms…the dead cells are generating the symptoms.”

In China, generally, they diagnose ‘Corona’ with CT scans and one or two positive PCR tests. In the US, it’s difficult to find out what makes a “case,” ie what the case definition is. Absent CT scans, we are in a bio-tech free-fall. One website offers this distressingly unclear definition: “The novel coronavirus, or COVID-19, has been spreading worldwide, resulting in growing numbers of infected individuals since late 2019 and increased mortality numbers since early 2020. So far, experts have seen that while there are severe cases, the infection is usually mild with non-specific symptoms. And there are no trademark clinical features of COVID-19 infection.”

There are no trademark clinical features? What then, collapsed the world? I sure hope this isn’t all riding on a “test,” as bio-tech Oracle.

A few graphs down, my fears are confirmed: “Diagnosis of COVID-19 involves laboratory tests. Once someone has been diagnosed with the coronavirus, additional diagnostic tests may be done to determine the severity of the infection.”

 

[OKCHunter]

So they as a family need to decide if it's safe for their son or daughter to come to school based on each families risk, not the school decide for each family by just keeping it closed or even distance learning(pointless). Same for the teachers and staff........their work place now has a new potential risk, and one they'll have to decide if they can continue or not. Folks change careers based on new workplace changes, risks, etc frequently. Weigh the risks and stay, or find something else. Teachers leave the profession frequently because of a hazardous workplace conditions, that's nothing new. They don't just say "I think it's dangerous, I'll just teach from home". lol

I agree with that. It’s an individual and a family choice. Except, I think distance learning should be provided for those that choose not to attend in person. I actually like the option for distance learning even without virus concerns. It would make a degree easier to obtain for working adults who could not otherwise attend “normal” college classes.

We have one that has been homeschooled for the last few years, and likes it and has done well. The other one could not stand it and wants back into the public school. Right now, the school is planning 2 days a week in person and 3 days at home.

 

[Okie4570]

I agree with that. It’s an individual and a family choice. Except, I think distance learning should be provided for those that choose not to attend in person. I actually like the option for distance learning even without virus concerns. It would make a degree easier to obtain for working adults who could not otherwise attend “normal” college classes.

We have one that has been homeschooled for the last few years, and likes it and has done well. The other one could not stand it and wants back into the public school. Right now, the school is planning 2 days a week in person and 3 days at home.

If distance learning becomes the new norm, imo the social problems we have in today's society will be magnified 1000x in the couple of generations. Some parents are cut out for monitoring or teaching/learning/ensuring social aspects are still met, that group is a very small percent. The other percentage, the majority, are doing an absolute disservice to their kids socially, and maybe or maybe not academically as well.

 

[OKCHunter]

If distance learning becomes the new norm, imo the social problems we have in today's society will be magnified 1000x in the couple of generations. Some parents are cut out for monitoring or teaching/learning/ensuring social aspects are still met, that group is a very small percent. The other percentage, the majority, are doing an absolute disservice to their kids socially, and maybe or maybe not academically as well.

The social aspect for those being homeschooled is critical and incumbent upon the parent(s) to make happen. There are tons of activities and events available to homeschoolers. There is also church activities as well. But, I agree without learning social skills there will be a future problem. However, the pressure of drugs, bullying, sexual activity, and indoctrination to socialism (liberal agenda) can be mitigated to some extent by homeschooling.

 

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Dr. Urso: If we can get HCQ over the counter, it will end the pandemic (twitter.com)

https://twitter.com/richardursomd/status/1294438462423273473

video
https://twitter.com/i/status/1294438462423273473

 

[JD8]

Because I don’t believe it. You didn’t have enough data in your set. By the way, did you see the Executive Report on Friday? The weekly number was the lowest of the data points you started with - that’s down 2 week in a row now. It’s too soon, in my opinion, to pronounce any trend if there is one to be identified, considering all the variables. However, I plan to update the graph I previously posted for you with the numbers you provided and include last Friday down number with next Friday’s report. No matter what your perspective on masks, It will be good thing for all if the trend continues down.

It's interesting you believe numbers when they coincide with what you believe. Just pointing that out. The new cases are SLIGHTLY Lower than the week of July 15th..... they've been higher every week since. It went like this though, I asked for someone to show me a decrease in the numbers since the mandate. You posted a graph, and I dug up the reports and it showed that in every metric, you were incorrect. Even with this latest report, you're still barely below ~8-9% those mid July numbers. You were dismissive. Then like I said... you post 2 month old data.

 

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Doctors Pen Open Letter To Fauci Regarding The Use Of Hydroxychloroquine for Treating COVID-19
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/d...ding-use-hydroxychloroquine-treating-covid-19

As experience accrued in treating COVID-19 infections, physicians worldwide discovered that high-risk patients can be treated successfully as an outpatient, within the first 5 to 7 days of the onset of symptoms, with a “cocktail” consisting of hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin (or doxycycline). Multiple scholarly contributions to the literature detail the efficacy of the hydroxychloroquine-based combination treatment.

Dr. Harvey Risch, the renowned Yale epidemiologist, published an article in May 2020 in the American Journal of Epidemiology titled “Early Outpatient Treatment of Symptomatic, High-Risk COVID-19 Patients that Should be Ramped-Up Immediately as Key to Pandemic Crisis”. He further published an article in Newsweek in July 2020 for the general public expressing the same conclusions and opinions. Dr. Risch is an expert at evaluating research data and study designs, publishing over 300 articles. Dr Risch’s assessment is that there is unequivocal evidence for the early and safe use of the “HCQ cocktail.” If there are Q-T interval concerns, doxycycline can be substituted for azithromycin as it has activity against RNA viruses without any cardiac effects.

Yet, you continue to reject the use of hydroxychloroquine, except in a hospital setting in the form of clinical trials, repeatedly emphasizing the lack of evidence supporting its use. Hydroxychloroquine, despite 65 years of use for malaria, and over 40 years for lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, with a well-established safety profile, has been deemed by you and the FDA as unsafe for use in the treatment of symptomatic COVID-19 infections.