Physician opposition to SQ 788 speaks volumes

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Excellent straw man argument there. Not even close to what I said. I'm speaking of doing your own homework and research so that you are educated.
I completely agree with shared decision making when it comes to medical issues. That being said, for example, commit yourself to studying ACL tears, treatment options, graft choices, etc. And do that for 15 years along with all the empirical evidence you see in front of you with your own patients and when you’re done then you can make your own decision about how to best treat your ACL. Until then, trust your doctor. If you don’t trust him, get another one.

BTW, I’m voting yes on 788.
 

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I completely agree with shared decision making when it comes to medical issues. That being said, for example, commit yourself to studying ACL tears, treatment options, graft choices, etc. And do that for 15 years along with all the empirical evidence you see in front of you with your own patients and when you’re done then you can make your own decision about how to best treat your ACL. Until then, trust your doctor. If you don’t trust him, get another one.

BTW, I’m voting yes on 788.

Let's go back and follow the context of the conversation. Someone said that they will default to doctors on this subject because they know more. I'm providing that they may or may not. When you have people managing pain or epilepsy with weed, the anecdotal evidence would at least be a primer for further study don't you think? Most doctors don't study these effects and it's hard to have empirical evidence of something they haven't been prescribing for 15 years or at all. That being said, my comments don't negate the validity of the medical community. From ACLs to childbirth I'll naturally default to a physician and always have. I have nothing but respect for those that are in the industry. My response was to a Medical Association dictating what's best for me. Given that they are the gatekeepers of the alternative here, and some of them collect a paycheck for prescribing it, again..... I'll protect myself when I can.

However in this context, with THIS SUBJECT...here's what I do know, It would've been nice to have an option with my father when he was dying of cancer other than the pain specialist prescribing fentanyl patches. He did so even when I went to the appointment with my father and relayed that he can get confused with medications. Well....dad's sugar got low and he overdosed, and It put my father in the hospital. Granted my dad's issues were complicated but honestly I didn't see the reason to push fentanyl when he was managing with other meds fairly well.
 

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Let's go back and follow the context of the conversation. Someone said that they will default to doctors on this subject because they know more. I'm providing that they may or may not. When you have people managing pain or epilepsy with weed, the anecdotal evidence would at least be a primer for further study don't you think? Most doctors don't study these effects and it's hard to have empirical evidence of something they haven't been prescribing for 15 years or at all. That being said, my comments don't negate the validity of the medical community. From ACLs to childbirth I'll naturally default to a physician and always have. I have nothing but respect for those that are in the industry. My response was to a Medical Association dictating what's best for me. Given that they are the gatekeepers of the alternative here, and some of them collect a paycheck for prescribing it, again..... I'll protect myself when I can.

However in this context, with THIS SUBJECT...here's what I do know, It would've been nice to have an option with my father when he was dying of cancer other than the pain specialist prescribing fentanyl patches. He did so even when I went to the appointment with my father and relayed that he can get confused with medications. Well....dad's sugar got low and he overdosed, and It put my father in the hospital. Granted my dad's issues were complicated but honestly I didn't see the reason to push fentanyl when he was managing with other meds fairly well.
I wish you would have had other options too! Hence why I am voting yes. And as was eluded to earlier the AMA doesn’t speak for individual doctors. As a matter of fact, I don’t know any doctors who are even members of the AMA. It’s just another typical bloated organization that is out of touch with its members and non-members it supposedly represents.
 

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Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

SAN RAFAEL, Calif. - For as long as most residents can remember, smoking marijuana has been a part of life here. The fact that California legalized the practice in January went practically unnoticed in this quiet town a half-hour's drive north of San Francisco, where some say the normalization of America's marijuana culture got its start.



For Quintin Pohl and other teenagers before him, smoking pot was a rite of passage. It was a diversion from the loneliness he felt at home when his parents were splitting up and a salve for middle-school angst. It was his entire social life in seventh and eighth grades, he said, when social life is everything.



Even though nearly all his friends were using marijuana and seeming to enjoy it, Pohl said, at some point his marijuana use took a turn he never saw coming: He became addicted.



Many people are unaware of marijuana addiction. But in the public health and medical communities, it is a well-defined disorder that includes physical withdrawal symptoms, cravings and psychological dependence. Many say it is on the rise, perhaps because of the increasing potency of genetically engineered plants and the use of concentrated products, or because more users are partaking multiple times a day.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
 

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Marijuana addiction is real, and rising

SAN RAFAEL, Calif. - For as long as most residents can remember, smoking marijuana has been a part of life here. The fact that California legalized the practice in January went practically unnoticed in this quiet town a half-hour's drive north of San Francisco, where some say the normalization of America's marijuana culture got its start.



For Quintin Pohl and other teenagers before him, smoking pot was a rite of passage. It was a diversion from the loneliness he felt at home when his parents were splitting up and a salve for middle-school angst. It was his entire social life in seventh and eighth grades, he said, when social life is everything.



Even though nearly all his friends were using marijuana and seeming to enjoy it, Pohl said, at some point his marijuana use took a turn he never saw coming: He became addicted.



Many people are unaware of marijuana addiction. But in the public health and medical communities, it is a well-defined disorder that includes physical withdrawal symptoms, cravings and psychological dependence. Many say it is on the rise, perhaps because of the increasing potency of genetically engineered plants and the use of concentrated products, or because more users are partaking multiple times a day.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
Technology addiction is real too. Alcohol addiction is real. Sex addiction is real (I guess).
 

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Technology addiction is real too. Alcohol addiction is real. Sex addiction is real (I guess).
sex addiction is very real. one of my life long friends went to a rehab out of state last year for it...it blew my mind when he confessed to me all he had been doing in secret. Watching porn at work, picking up prostitutes on his lunch break, hooking up with random women at his gym, etc... (And he was married this whole time to a wonderful girl who loved him and they have 2 young kids together).

I would venture to bet that pornography ruins a lot more relationships than people think. Over stimulation (visually) watching perfect 10's who are very willing to do anything is hard for an average woman to live up to...can make them feel undesired and lead to a boring sex life.

Females are like flowers my friends, where compliments and affection are like miracle grow and water helping them to reach full bloom.
 

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