How many of you would support a summer boycott of chamber of commerce businesses?

[sanjuro893]

The entire reason the C of C lobbied against SB41 is the false argument that it would hurt potential tourism dollars.They flat out LIED about the legislation. I think they should be held to account for their lies and interference of our rights. I'm of the mind that we gun owners LIVE here and are the backbone that keep places like Bricktown and the businesses in it afloat. If I were a local "mover and shaker", I would be more wary of pissing off the locals who spend money here daily than upsetting out of state businesses that may or may not invest locally. When this happened, several of us called and sent e-mails, nothing happened. We tried to get the veto over-ridden, nothing happened. It's either take the next step or else just sit back and let them get away with this "good ole boy network" nonsense. I honestly don't know if we'll have enough people to make a difference or not, that's why I made the poll. I remember there was plenty of vocal discussion in the press and on this forum about open carry when it failed the first time around and the anger at lobbies like the C of C and Sheriff's Assoc that they were allowed to dictate policy. Just wondering if as many people were upset enough to raise a stink about this or not.

 

[sanjuro893]

Do you think hurting the individual business owners will affect the chambers influence on our local government?

I don't know. I honestly don't want to hurt any individual business owners that had nothing to do with this that are just trying to sell food or t-shirts or whatever. At the same time, the Chamber made their position VERY public. If you're a chamber member and don't speak up as a gun friendly business against their position at some point is either lazy or stupid.

 

[SMS]

I don't know. I honestly don't want to hurt any individual business owners that had nothing to do with this that are just trying to sell food or t-shirts or whatever. At the same time, the Chamber made their position VERY public. If you're a chamber member and don't speak up as a gun friendly business against their position at some point is either lazy or stupid.

Very true...

 

[Werewolf]

I looked up SB41. Redefines what a pistol is.

I Must be missing something. Please explain why the Gov vetoing this is an issue?

 

[sanjuro893]

I looked up SB41. Redefines what a pistol is.

I Must be missing something. Please explain why the Gov vetoing this is an issue?

It does more than that. Start here.

https://www.okshooters.com/showthread.php?214629-Fallin-vetoes-another-gun-bill

Basically, it reiterates that if an organization rents out a public space such as a fairgrounds or a street or a park where it is legal to carry, that organization cannot ban guns. The chamber and several others began to spread the lie that this would allow carrying at such places like Thunder games and NCAA tournaments which is absolutely false. So basically, legislation got vetoed on a falsehood. SB41 had ZERO language allowing carry into new places.
Here is former mayor Ron Norick in the Daily Oklahoman.

"An amendment to Oklahoma’s concealed carry statute would have a chilling effect on Oklahoma’s ability to attract major events that help drive our state’s tourism and events industries.

Senate Bill 41 has passed the House and the Senate, but we urge legislators and the governor to consider the severe consequences before it goes through the entire legislative process and into effect. The state’s economy stands to lose millions of dollars, and organizers of popular events looking at Oklahoma City will turn to other cities instead. Specifically, Oklahoma City could lose a 20-year contract as the home of the biggest event in college softball: the Women’s College World Series. Fans of the NCAA basketball tournament might have to watch the tournament’s first and second rounds in another city.

The law also would affect our ability to host widely attended public events like the Oklahoma State Fair; horse shows and other events at State Fair Park, including the state high school basketball tournaments; Big 12 and NCAA sporting events; concerts at places like the Zoo Amphitheatre or possibly even Chesapeake Arena; OKC Fest; the Festival of the Arts and more.

With this rule change, fans would have to go to other cities to attend the events they love, and Oklahoma City would lose the ability to recruit and retain these events, which bring jobs here in addition to millions of dollars to the economy.

The unintended consequences of passing such a law are huge and devastating.

Ron Norick, Oklahoma City

Norick is former mayor of Oklahoma City. "

And here is the OKC Chamber's media statement on their website:

"Chamber applauds Gov. Mary Fallin's veto of SB 41

Tuesday, May 12, 2015

NEWS RELEASE

OKLAHOMA CITY (May 11, 2015) – The Greater Oklahoma City Chamber applauds Gov. Mary Fallin’s wisdom and foresight in vetoing Senate Bill 41, which would have had devastating effects on the ability to recruit major events to Oklahoma.

A last-minute amendment to Oklahoma’s concealed carry statute would have placed state law in conflict with contracts to host events like the NCAA Basketball Tournament, Women’s College World Series softball, horse shows at the State Fair Park and other events in public places. These events, which bring tens of millions of dollars to the state’s economy each year, would then relocate to other cities.

We thank Gov. Fallin for realizing the chilling effect that this would have on Oklahoma’s ability to attract high-quality events that Oklahomans enjoy.

“To some, the stipulations outlined in this bill may sound good on paper, but they have many unintended consequences that will hurt Oklahoma’s visitor and events industries,” said Chamber President Roy Williams. “We are grateful that Gov. Mary Fallin was able to see the future repercussions with this bill and decided to veto it.”

CONTACT:
Carrie Snodgrass, Media Relations Coordinator
Greater Oklahoma City Chamber
405.297.8971
[email protected]"

 

[sanjuro893]

And I'm no good at media announcements or anything but I thought of hiring a midget and a giant to show up at an OKC chamber meeting dressed as Master Blaster and saying "EMBARGO ON!" I'm not sure if the tornado sirens in the city can broadcast speech but if they do, we can then get on the speakers and say, "Who rule Okie town?" until they get the point.

 

[donner]

i think another issue with a boycott of this nature is that it's effect would be so spread out. Targeting buses (a classic example) worked because it was very focused on one industry and the impact was easy to measure.

Measuring the impact of a handful of people on multiple businesses would be tough and difficult to distinguish from the regular ebb and flow that many businesses see.

You might almost be better off targeting specific businesses one at a time to target

 

[sanjuro893]

i think another issue with a boycott of this nature is that it's effect would be so spread out. Targeting buses (a classic example) worked because it was very focused on one industry and the impact was easy to measure.

Measuring the impact of a handful of people on multiple businesses would be tough and difficult to distinguish from the regular ebb and flow that many businesses see.

You might almost be better off targeting specific businesses one at a time to target

I hadn't thought of that. Thanks!

 

[inactive]

So the governor vetoed this right? The one we elected? The one with an R by her name?

I think we already bought and paid for this with our election, not with our patronage of CoC business. I'm far too apathetic about it to get involved in a mass boycott like described here. If our governor is too stupid to see the facts and vetoed this, or too in the pockets of the CoC, that's our own fault.

The vast majority of gun owners in our state likely supported the CoC business and Oklahoma politics as they are due to their naive beliefs that these powers that be acted in their interests rather than actually looking into the facts.

 

[sanjuro893]

So the governor vetoed this right? The one we elected? The one with an R by her name?

I didn't vote for her.

I think we already bought and paid for this with our election, not with our patronage of CoC business. I'm far too apathetic about it to get involved in a mass boycott like described here. If our governor is too stupid to see the facts and vetoed this, or too in the pockets of the CoC, that's our own fault.

But not too apathetic to state your opinion on a keyboard.... why not use the keyboard to try and get things done?

The vast majority of gun owners in our state likely supported the CoC business and Oklahoma politics as they are due to their naive beliefs that these powers that be acted in their interests rather than actually looking into the facts.

I couldn't agree more with this last part. The amount of people quoting Kelly Ogle's "My 2 cents" or the former mayor's editorial on this issue as their own thoughts gives me a headache. If that's how the majority want to live, it's your life. But I'm sick of having my rights limited because of others' ignorance and apathy.