Multiple shooting Victims at Lake Hefner

[druryj]

Last time I was in there, it was a no open carry but ok concealed. Same with Louie’s in Edmond.

Same thing at the one in Yukon; no open carry but concealed carry is okay.

And that’s why we carry, you never know when or where.

Exactly. People please read this and heed. (I hope I never have to use my lawfully carried handgun and shoot a person with it. I also hope I don't need to file a claim with my insurance company. I carry a gun and I have insurance for the same basic reasons: "What if...?")

 

[CGS1]

I think more businesses should post this sign.

 

[dennishoddy]

I think more businesses should post this sign.
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My friend that owns a small business and is the match director at our gun range has one of those on his business entrance.

 

[shootermcgavin]

That's what I want to know. How many times did each person fire?

Clearly the good guy was pretty judicious on his shooting, or at the very least had a clear line. I'm very happy the good guy won, and I feel terrible for him. But I want to know how many bullets went flying from both parties and how many hit targets. I've always said in most situations, if a shooting happens I'm hitting the ground first, not because the shooter but I don't know how many guys are gonna start firing without checking behind their target.

I think more businesses should post this sign.
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[yukonjack]

That's what I want to know. How many times did each person fire?

Clearly the good guy was pretty judicious on his shooting, or at the very least had a clear line. I'm very happy the good guy won, and I feel terrible for him. But I want to know how many bullets went flying from both parties and how many hit targets. I've always said in most situations, if a shooting happens I'm hitting the ground first, not because the shooter but I don't know how many guys are gonna start firing without checking behind their target.

In a real live shooting like this no one will check to see what's behind the person they are shooting at. Not even you. In real life the tunnel vision is so overpowering you won't see anything else but the target. You can pretend train all you want, run a thousand scenarios through your head, but in real life that adrenaline flow is gonna take over. And will you drop to the floor? Not if everyone else is running. You'll be running right along with them.

 

[shootermcgavin]

I never claimed I wouldn't have tunnel vision. I am extremely aware of how little training I do compared to what I should do. I agree he probably did as well, but I was not critiquing him in the least. He clearly did a great job. I'm just curious to know bullet counts.

As for hitting the ground compared to running, I hope I never know which one I would actually do, but I know which one I do in the scenarios I run through in my head, and would like to think I'm going to do something similar to the mental training I go through. It also varies greatly for a large crowd setting like church compared to a restaurant which typically had multiple, very close exits.

But you're right, tunnel vision will happen. I should have worded that part better. I was really thinking more of a before hand situation, again, primarily in a large group setting. Church is one if the scarier places for me because it's often fan shaped, with a large number of carriers. I don't think most of those guys ever thought about the fact that there are so few angles to cleanly shoot- so I typically decide for church it would better to duck, then escape in that setting because of how many bullets may be flying.

But again, please don't think I was critiquing this guy in any way whatsoever. I know so little details, but what I do know all points to him doing a great job.

In a real live shooting like this no one will check to see what's behind the person they are shooting at. Not even you. In real life the tunnel vision is so overpowering you won't see anything else but the target. You can pretend train all you want, run a thousand scenarios through your head, but in real life that adrenaline flow is gonna take over. And will you drop to the floor? Not if everyone else is running. You'll be running right along with them.

 

[freewookie]

Unless it was a legally prohibited place, the sign has no legal weight. And since the majority of the income was NOT from the sale and consumption of alcohol, it was not a prohibited place.

That should have been thoroughly explained at your COW class

Exactly. They can ask you to leave and if you refuse only then does it become a crime...simple trespass.


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[MCVetSteve]

I’m glad this turned out as well as it did, it could have been much worse. I feel bad for the man who was forced to put a stop to it. Even when it’s the right thing, taking a human life is not an easy thing.

 

[killerpigeon]

Everybody here needs to stock up on ear and eye protection. The shooter was wearing some also. Soon they will be termed assault eye/ear protection and be banned.

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[Poke78]

Everybody here needs to stock up on ear and eye protection. The shooter was wearing some also. Soon they will be termed assault eye/ear protection and be banned.

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These details are going to be some of the interesting side notes that will come out of the investigation. Of course, with the shooter DRT, some of it will end up being speculative as there will be no way to really "know why."