Constitutional carry- what’s different other than no permit?

[druryj]

The federal student loan program is the one single reason college tuition is so high. They are shoving money at those universities like its through a fire hose with guaranteed student loan funding.
What happens when any business starts getting tons of money for the product? The price goes up.

Partly. But the ratio of state supported funding to higher ed went from roughly 75% in 1995 to 30% in 2012. Tuition and fee increases didn’t even come close to closing the gap. Again, just glad I am retired and no longer having to go beg for money at the big house.


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[corneileous]

Exactly.

I respectfully disagree but that’s just me.

I just submitted my renewal online, and got an email confirmation that it was received by OSBI and is "in process". The last time I renewed, it took I think it was 27 days from submission to receipt of renewed license. I consider the fee to maintain my SDA license a minimal one, and one I am fine with paying for because:

1. Personally, I think it's a good idea to have it "just in case'' even still here in Oklahoma. Why? For many of the reasons discussed in this thread. There is simply too much confusion still. I've read and re-read the laws yet... ?
2. It does show that I have at least had the minimum amount of "training'' previously required. Are you a LEO? If you pull me over, at least you know I have gone through this "vetting" process, as it were, to get and maintain a license and am more than likely not a bad guy.
3. I do travel out of state and want to be able to legally carry my handgun with me when I do with the minimum hassle.

A lot of states that still require their residents to keep a permit, don’t even charge that much; and they have to have one to carry at all so they could come down in cost. I know there’s expense involved in the whole process but to charge more for a longer duration?? C’mon... there’s no need for that. At least I don’t think so.

If the training was a lot more than it actually was, I’d agree with you on that part but since it isn’t, so what if it shows I’ve had training....lol. Sure, it appeases the other states we have reciprocity with.

But as far as whenever you get pulled over- if I read it and comprehended it correctly, we’re no longer required to have the duty to inform unless the officer specifically asks you if you’re armed.

4. I do NOT want to be a test case in Oklahoma or anywhere else.

I can’t say I blame you, there. If I had to renew my permit right now like you did, I would’ve just went ahead and bought another infringing 5 years but since I’ve got plenty time for them to get this all ironed out, I’ll just play the waiting game.

4. C'mon, $85 lousy bucks for a license to carry a firearm? Seriously? I drop that on mediocre dinners all too often and don't gripe about it nearly as much as some do about this. Let's do some math: So it's $85 to renew for 5 years. That's $17 per year, or $1.42 per month. Or less than a nickle per day; the equivalent of like one round of cheap .22lr ammo.

That’s still a lot of money for most folks. Especially when now, it’s just primarily for freedom to carry outside of the state unless it’s a state that has “permitless” carry as well and accepts our state ID as our permit.

But they don’t have to charge as much for it. I’m just sayin’.

I don't know what the actual breakdown of the cost to get an initial or renewal SDA license is; it most likely varies with each individual case and how much time and effort it takes to insure that all the boxes get checked off to issue one. Go look at the OSBI website and check the numbers. I bet the total number annually issued goes down, way down, with this new permit-less carry law. Maybe it will free up some resources at both the local and state levels and they can go catch bad guys better now. Nobody is getting rich off the costs to process and issue a SDA licenses. It wouldn't surprise me to find out it was actually costing more than they are charging to be honest.

I don’t know what it costs either but I highly doubt it’s anywhere near what they charge.

But yeah, I bet the number of permit processes goes way down. Like I said long before, I guarandamntee you they’re going to be doing a whole lot less permits.

Actually, I'd rather maintain my OK SDA license any way, until this all becomes a little clearer than it is now.

I can respect that and as the more and more less liberties come about from not having to pay for your rights, I’ll probably continue doing the same.


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[bigred1]

^^^^^^Beats the hell out of California^^^^^^ just sayin....

 

[corneileous]

^^^^^^Beats the hell out of California^^^^^^ just sayin....

You do have a point but I wouldn’t live there anyways....[emoji6]


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[dennishoddy]

Yes, to some degree. What many in Oklahoma don't know is that the OSBI gets fees for criminal history checks, some court costs, and from the SDA program. What they also don't know is that the legislature looks at what the OSBI is getting in those fees and cuts back funding from general funds by roughly that same amount.

That's the same thing the legislature did to our schools when horse racing and gambling were legalized.

 

[druryj]

You mean when they lied?

 

[dennishoddy]

You mean when they lied?

Yup. When they campaigned on it being the Georgia model where the gambling money was going to be on top of normal legislature allocations so teachers could get a raise, and school supplies would be a non-issue anymore.

 

[druryj]

You do have a point but I wouldn’t live there anyways....[emoji6]

Now that's something we can agree on!

I guess I'm missing something...it seems to me that you believe the cost of the SDA license is too high, whether initial or renewal? Especially now that we don't have to have it to carry in the state of Oklahoma? Is that it? Is it just that you think the cost is excessive?

 

[druryj]

Yup. When they campaigned on it being the Georgia model where the gambling money was going to be on top of normal legislature allocations so teachers could get a raise, and school supplies would be a non-issue anymore.

Yep. Lots of promises were made...all was gonna fix the funding for education; it was for the children.


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[corneileous]

Now that's something we can agree on!

It’s really a no-brainer...[emoji851]

I guess I'm missing something...it seems to me that you believe the cost of the SDA license is too high, whether initial or renewal? Especially now that we don't have to have it to carry in the state of Oklahoma? Is that it? Is it just that you think the cost is excessive?

I really don’t think there should be a cost-at all, but that’s beside the point.

But yes, just because of the plain and simple fact that the only reason to even need a permit now anymore, is for carrying in a different state- or for full carrying ability here. They’re not going to be bringing in near as much money on the permit system as they did before, and they’re not going to even get anywhere remotely close to that number by charging full price to those very few that’ll still wish to carry in all the states we have reciprocity with, and to have the lesser restriction so why even try squeezing a butt-load of money for all that, out of a small handful of people? That’s all I’m asking. I know it’s probably not going to happen.



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