ME says no evidence of Asphyxia in George Floyd case....

[Hobbes]

The man said "I can't breathe"

If a man says that, it's possible he can't breathe.

 

[inactive]

Two things........anyone here ever wrestle in HS or college?

Jiujitsu and submission grappling currently

Turns out it was kneeling on the carotid arteries shutting down/restricting blood flow to the brain combined with high blood pressure and heart disease and possible drugs in his system. That said, the officer is still culpable in Floyd's death.

Woody

His carotid weren't restricted, as that's strangulation and the report noted no signs of strangulation were observed by the ME. And if you are strangled ("blood choked" you go unconscious in a matter of seconds, not the minutes that asphyxia ("wind choked") requires.

But the ME does attribute "being restrained by the police" to the cause of death, so really anything else is just splitting hairs (which I admit I'm engaging in with this very post).

 

[Shadowrider]

"The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...tQzKG65Fe7KrsSeugGZmYtNo_x8omf0XHzAXlbWLDyi2Q


Kinda soon?


send in Dr Baden!!!

Saw on another site a post from a doctor that performs autopsies. He said "I could tell that just from watching the video".

 

[dennishoddy]

^^This. Without making judgments on the actions of this or any other officer in a similar situation, think about every one of these cases - if the subject would have simply complied with the request of the arresting officer, he/she at worst might spend a few nights in jail - but they would be alive to hire an attorney and sue the officer and anyone else they please, and we’d have never heard about the incident.

With the new video that came out today, the victim was restrained, with 3 officers holding him to the ground. One with a knee to the neck for 8 minutes. We now know what happened on the other side of the vehicle. He did not appear to be struggling, just asking for some air.
Why not stuff him into the back of a patrol car at that point?
There are some other legal issues with some of the officers involved. I'll let the facts play out in the future.

 

[killerpigeon]

By no means an expert, but a knee to the back of the neck, doesn't cause cardiovascular or respiratory collapse, unless the cervical spine is severed or seriously injured. A constant, and weighted knee, to the back thoracic area, doesn't allow full expansion of the chest, limiting inspiration and tidal volume. Limited inspiration of O2, due to decrease in tidal volume, could result in excess blood CO2. This can result in a shift of the acid base homeostasus. Excessive CO2 could upset the oxygen hemoglobin dissociation curve, which is very sensitive to changes in acidity. Cardiovascular tissue is very dependant on blood O2 and acidity. Even a few hundreths change, of the acid base scale, could result in the heart muscle not being adequately profused. At this point the cardiovascular system fails, prompting the respiratory system to kick into high gear and compensate. This can give the person the impression that "I can't breathe," but in actuality, they can't adequately respir, cellular respiration. The heart will compensate by going into tachycardia, which will maintain for a few minutes. Afterwards, unless resolved, the heart will try one last ditch effort of ventricular tachycardia before resulting in ventricular fibrillation and ultimately asystole. What I'm trying to say is, maybe the guy with his knee on the back should be charged with manslaughter or murder, not the indefensible officer shown with his knee on the neck. Like I said though, not an expert.

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[JD8]

and Dr. Baden is on it....
https://www.foxnews.com/us/george-floyd-family-enlists-dr-michael-baden-to-perform-second-autopsy

 

[GlockPride]

Here’s the most damning evidence to me in the 9 minute video: the office on the neck NEVER looks down at the suspect, never checks on him, never acknowledged him as even human.

You’d think if you had a suspect that was moving, fighting and going on and on suddenly goes quiet and limp, you may want to check on him??!?!

I’ve never wanted to fight a cop, but I don’t know how some of those in the crowd didn’t bum rush him and knock him off of Floyd?

 

[KOPBET]

How does one just stand there and let it happen? With a cell phone video no less.

 

[Glock 40]

The other thing...........do you think they tested him for corona? And if they did, I wonder if it would even be revealed if it came back positive.

If Dr. Fauchi did the Autopsy it would say CV-19 I bet with no mention of anything else.

 

[SMS]

How does one just stand there and let it happen? With a cell phone video no less.

For fear of being shot by all four cops if you intervene? Hard to say what I would do. I've never been in that spot.

Here's the probable cause document. It's pretty damning. The victim claimed to be in distress before they even put him on the ground, then spent 8 minutes and 46 seconds in restraint, on the ground, on his stomach, with three people on top of him. Almost 3 minutes of that was after he went non-responsive. One of the cops even tried to intervene twice to get him rolled over but the lead cop basically said F that. Then the lead cop doubled down and stayed in position on the guy's neck for nearly two minutes after one of the other cops checked for a pulse and said he couldn't find one.

At least one of those cops is getting convicted. Sorry if that makes anyone's butt hurt.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6933246/Derek-Chauvin-Complaint.pdf