Good Guy, thank you and you're right - it is pretty clear:
If said law enforcement officer is working security, then clearly, absent any 'incident', they're not acting "during the course of any arrest, detainment, or routine traffic stop".
You're just like my girlfriend, who tells me to read the instructions when I buy something new. Look at the statute? Too easy, man!
Now if a "detainment" occurs, then even if they are security-guardin', they remain "law enforcement officers" 24/7, so the duty to inform would kick in. Of course, presumably they'd be wearing their duty uniforms, 99% chance, as they commonly do, so as to put you on notice that they're LEOs, not *just* security. But ordinary encounters / being in general proximity is not gonna trigger it.
One question though, that could come up: Is it, or is it not, a 'detainment' when you stop at the table with the OKCPD officer acting as security at a gun show, for checking firearms at the door? I.e. if you stop to let them put a ziptie on the gun you're gonna try to sell, is that a 'detainment' or not?
It's actually a good question, because I sometimes carry at gun shows - if I happen to be carrying when I'm out and stop by the gun show, I ignore their 'no guns' sign just as I do other businesses' signs. Point being, I gotta reveal (and therefore not carry), arguably, if I am selling a gun and stop at the table as you're required to do to get the ziptie put on. I'd need to leave either my CCW or my for-sale gun in the car - one or the other. Splittin hairs, maybe, but...
If said law enforcement officer is working security, then clearly, absent any 'incident', they're not acting "during the course of any arrest, detainment, or routine traffic stop".
You're just like my girlfriend, who tells me to read the instructions when I buy something new. Look at the statute? Too easy, man!
Now if a "detainment" occurs, then even if they are security-guardin', they remain "law enforcement officers" 24/7, so the duty to inform would kick in. Of course, presumably they'd be wearing their duty uniforms, 99% chance, as they commonly do, so as to put you on notice that they're LEOs, not *just* security. But ordinary encounters / being in general proximity is not gonna trigger it.
One question though, that could come up: Is it, or is it not, a 'detainment' when you stop at the table with the OKCPD officer acting as security at a gun show, for checking firearms at the door? I.e. if you stop to let them put a ziptie on the gun you're gonna try to sell, is that a 'detainment' or not?
It's actually a good question, because I sometimes carry at gun shows - if I happen to be carrying when I'm out and stop by the gun show, I ignore their 'no guns' sign just as I do other businesses' signs. Point being, I gotta reveal (and therefore not carry), arguably, if I am selling a gun and stop at the table as you're required to do to get the ziptie put on. I'd need to leave either my CCW or my for-sale gun in the car - one or the other. Splittin hairs, maybe, but...
