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The concern about people being on a “no fly list” buying weapons (and explosives) has been around for a few years.

People who are known or suspected terrorists and watch listed can buy firearms (and explosives) if there are no disqualifying factors (felony, misdemeanor domestic abuse, posting under the name of ACE on this forum).

It gets worse. People on the no-fly list may not be watch listed as a known or suspected terrorist. They are on the no-fly list because they are a threat to aviation.

The conundrum is how to balance the right to keep and bear arms with national security and with that what parameters does our government have in deciding who can or cannot own a firearm? “Suspected” of being a terrorist or “suspected” to being a risk to aviation is enough not to be able to have a weapon? To this, how does one know if they are watch listed and what recourse do they have to prove their innocence beyond what is “suspicion” and association?

Example to what was mentioned ... Ted Kennedy was on a no-fly list not because he was a liberal ass clown who allowed his mistress to drown BUT because his name was similar to the name of someone “suspected” of terrorism. Kennedy was on a no-fly list but he could still buy a gun. BTW ... Ted Kennedy is now off the no-fly list and is six years sober.

What would be interesting to find out is how many people are watch listed and of those how many have actually tried to “legally” obtain a firearm. If (suspected) “terrorists” are anything like others with criminal intent they will not even try to “legally” obtain a firearm.
 

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I've been reading some history lately to find precedent for the most advanced country in the world setting up a system of 'Lists" so some citizens are more equal than others.
Found an example in Nazi Germany, which decided than anyone on the Membership List of the Nazi in good standing could buy firearms at will, but not so for others.

Yeah, worked great, didn't it? Everybody always assumes THEY will be on the good guy list, and don't envision the dreadfull scope of a prior restraint list being used to deny Constitutional Rights without due process.
 

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I've been reading some history lately to find precedent for the most advanced country in the world setting up a system of 'Lists" so some citizens are more equal than others.
Found an example in Nazi Germany, which decided than anyone on the Membership List of the Nazi in good standing could buy firearms at will, but not so for others.

Yeah, worked great, didn't it? Everybody always assumes THEY will be on the good guy list, and don't envision the dreadfull scope of a prior restraint list being used to deny Constitutional Rights without due process.


Yup, IMHO all the lib dem "useful idiots" think that since they carry the lib dem water, drink the lib dem Kool-Aid, etc., that they will still be able to own firearms when all the others have their firearms and rights taken away.
 

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The concern about people being on a “no fly list” buying weapons (and explosives) has been around for a few years.

People who are known or suspected terrorists and watch listed can buy firearms (and explosives) if there are no disqualifying factors (felony, misdemeanor domestic abuse, posting under the name of ACE on this forum).

It gets worse. People on the no-fly list may not be watch listed as a known or suspected terrorist. They are on the no-fly list because they are a threat to aviation.

The conundrum is how to balance the right to keep and bear arms with national security and with that what parameters does our government have in deciding who can or cannot own a firearm? “Suspected” of being a terrorist or “suspected” to being a risk to aviation is enough not to be able to have a weapon? To this, how does one know if they are watch listed and what recourse do they have to prove their innocence beyond what is “suspicion” and association?

Example to what was mentioned ... Ted Kennedy was on a no-fly list not because he was a liberal ass clown who allowed his mistress to drown BUT because his name was similar to the name of someone “suspected” of terrorism. Kennedy was on a no-fly list but he could still buy a gun. BTW ... Ted Kennedy is now off the no-fly list and is six years sober.

What would be interesting to find out is how many people are watch listed and of those how many have actually tried to “legally” obtain a firearm. If (suspected) “terrorists” are anything like others with criminal intent they will not even try to “legally” obtain a firearm.
You can do this without filling out Any paperwork
The thing is ...dealing with people with altered reality...they dont care, blow **** up
People being able to defend who and what/where they are is the only solution without loosing a bunch or rights/freedom
May God have Mercy...things may just get Bad....
 

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