Obama announces EO plans for the immediate future

[Rod Snell]

But data released this week from the General Social Survey, widely regarded as the gold standard for social science survey research, shows that in 2014, the number of American households owning guns remained at 40-year lows.

Naturally, gun-rights advocates tell a different story. They point to different polls, like Gallup, which show higher rates of gun ownership than the GSS.

Don't know about you, but when I was "selected" for a nation poll, I told them to KMA. Think maybe more than one gun owner refused to answer?

 

[harley128]

Looks like Obama had some good news for low-balling government approved FFL dealers today.

Not sure what kind of FFL dealer that would be--- but I am interested in what the good news would be?

 

[Ace_on_the_Turn]

Don't know about you, but when I was "selected" for a nation poll, I told them to KMA. Think maybe more than one gun owner refused to answer?

Sure. But some non gun owners refused to answer also. It's a poll or survey, not a scientific study.

 

[tRidiot]

Its super easy and super well defined. IF you as a Dr. feel one of your patients should not be allowed to possess firearms, sign an order requesting a mental competency hearing in court. Then show up and testify. If the judge issues a ruling of mental incompetency, that order should then be entered into the court record AND THE COURT should report that to NICS.

Anything less is a violation of the patient's constitutional rights under the 5th Amendment.

I guess if it's super easy, then you could tell me exactly how to go about that, right? I mean... in 20 years in the medical field, I've never seen or heard of a way to start this process. But now we're all worried it's going to be happening in every doctor's office every day. Seriously... how would one go about it? Like actually get the ball rolling. I've never seen or heard of a single clinician doing this. Hell, I've explicitly documented someone's violent tendencies, outright threats, psychotic delusions and very clear danger to themselves AND to society as a whole, all while completely sober and under the influence of no drugs. Then called Law Enforcement and had them taken into custody, at which point they got a night's sleep in the county lockup and went home the next morning.

But some folks here would like you to think it's easy as pie to just add a diagnosis of "depression" in someone's electronic chart in your office, and next thing you know, the three-letter brigade is showing up to confiscate their gun collection.



Riiiiiiight.....

 

[crrcboatz]

If I recall Illinois law correctly, a non-resident may purchase ammo there with no requirement for an ammo permit. The permit requirement is for IL residents only.

Well if that is the case the WalMart employee was not correct in his understanding because he immediately said no to me.

 

[tRidiot]

Well if that is the case the WalMart employee was not correct in his understanding because he immediately said no to me.

That would be a shocker....

 

[Sanford]

There are more guns, but not more gun owners.

Number of households with guns on the decline, study shows

America has more guns in fewer hands than ever before​

Ah ... the good ol' GSS comes up again.

"The problem with the majority of these surveys is that they don’t represent the actual number of people who own guns — only the percentage of people who will admit to a complete stranger that they own a gun."

Debunking the Latest “Gun Ownership is Declining” Survey

 

[rhart]

But some folks here would like you to think it's easy as pie to just add a diagnosis of "depression" in someone's electronic chart in your office, and next thing you know, the three-letter brigade is showing up to confiscate their gun collection.

I doubt that anyone would show up - your name would simply be added to the no-buy list and you won't know you are on the list until you try to buy a gun or the police run your name for some reason. It would only take a 1-800 number that all physicians would get to submit names to NICS. No due process or anything. We're not there yet..

 

[rhart]

Don't know about you, but when I was "selected" for a nation poll, I told them to KMA. Think maybe more than one gun owner refused to answer?

Being naturally distrustful (paranoid?) when a pollster asked on the phone if I had any firearms in the home I said no because I was concerned it was a fishing expedition by a burglar or home invader. Also, I don't trust the government so I wouldn't admit to owning guns to anyone I don't know or to my doctor or insurance agent for that matter. I personally know quite a few people who became first time gun owners the past few years - several of them females - so I don't buy that crap about fewer gun owners, but more guns.

 

[MaddSkillz]

I guess if it's super easy, then you could tell me exactly how to go about that, right? I mean... in 20 years in the medical field, I've never seen or heard of a way to start this process. But now we're all worried it's going to be happening in every doctor's office every day. Seriously... how would one go about it? Like actually get the ball rolling. I've never seen or heard of a single clinician doing this. Hell, I've explicitly documented someone's violent tendencies, outright threats, psychotic delusions and very clear danger to themselves AND to society as a whole, all while completely sober and under the influence of no drugs. Then called Law Enforcement and had them taken into custody, at which point they got a night's sleep in the county lockup and went home the next morning.

But some folks here would like you to think it's easy as pie to just add a diagnosis of "depression" in someone's electronic chart in your office, and next thing you know, the three-letter brigade is showing up to confiscate their gun collection.



Riiiiiiight.....

It's a slippery slope though, isn't it? I don't know what that world would look like... How we could navigate something like that... You know, restricting an inherent human right based on a declaration and nothing more. We're supposed to be afforded a due process in this country... It's all just so complicated and I don't know the right answer but I lean towards the way we're currently doing things. With freedom comes more risks. We can almost eliminate some of them, but we lose freedom along with it. For many, it's just not worth the trade.

I don't want to live in safer world. I want to live in a freer one.