Pope: investors in gun companies are not Christians.

[Riley]

Here's another article that outlines the errors of the left in their apparent embrace...

http://patriotpost.us/articles/35891

"Here are a few excerpts from “Laudato Si” that are unlikely to make the front page of the major daily newspapers:

“A spirituality which forgets God as all-powerful and Creator is not acceptable.”

“When media and the digital world become omnipresent, their influence can stop people from learning how to live wisely, to think deeply and to love generously.”

“Concern for the protection of nature is also incompatible with the justification of abortion … It is troubling that, when some ecological movements defend the integrity of the environment, rightly demanding that certain limits be imposed on scientific research, they sometimes fail to apply those same principles to human life.”

“Helping the poor financially must always be a provisional solution in the face of pressing needs. The broader objective should always be to allow them a dignified life through work.”

While the document does reveal a more considered and practical view of the Catholic Church’s stand on environmental and cultural issues than the media would have us believe, there is still cause for concern as to the sources Francis has chosen for his own climate change education. "

 

[TenBears]

Here's another article that outlines the errors of the left in their apparent embrace...

http://patriotpost.us/articles/35891

"Here are a few excerpts from “Laudato Si” that are unlikely to make the front page of the major daily newspapers:

“A spirituality which forgets God as all-powerful and Creator is not acceptable.”

“When media and the digital world become omnipresent, their influence can stop people from learning how to live wisely, to think deeply and to love generously.”

“Concern for the protection of nature is also incompatible with the justification of abortion … It is troubling that, when some ecological movements defend the integrity of the environment, rightly demanding that certain limits be imposed on scientific research, they sometimes fail to apply those same principles to human life.”

“Helping the poor financially must always be a provisional solution in the face of pressing needs. The broader objective should always be to allow them a dignified life through work.”

While the document does reveal a more considered and practical view of the Catholic Church’s stand on environmental and cultural issues than the media would have us believe, there is still cause for concern as to the sources Francis has chosen for his own climate change education. "

Are you saying the popes comments have been hijacked and taken out of context? If so has there been any popeagrams to correct the media? Is this still one of the most left/socialist leaning popes? Was/is there a rule against Jesuits being pope?
Thanks

 

[Junior Bonner]

I don't know anything about Catholicism. So please enlighten me on the controversy of a Jesuit becoming a Pope?

 

[TenBears]

I'm not sure why a Catholics pope's words have any bearings on Christians whatsoever. He isn't anything to us.

I think it's just the large amount of Catholics that live here, I think the media also believes he speaks on behalf of all Christians, which he does not.

 

[Glocktogo]

Here's another article that outlines the errors of the left in their apparent embrace...

http://patriotpost.us/articles/35891

"Here are a few excerpts from “Laudato Si” that are unlikely to make the front page of the major daily newspapers:

“A spirituality which forgets God as all-powerful and Creator is not acceptable.”

“When media and the digital world become omnipresent, their influence can stop people from learning how to live wisely, to think deeply and to love generously.”

“Concern for the protection of nature is also incompatible with the justification of abortion … It is troubling that, when some ecological movements defend the integrity of the environment, rightly demanding that certain limits be imposed on scientific research, they sometimes fail to apply those same principles to human life.”

“Helping the poor financially must always be a provisional solution in the face of pressing needs. The broader objective should always be to allow them a dignified life through work.”

While the document does reveal a more considered and practical view of the Catholic Church’s stand on environmental and cultural issues than the media would have us believe, there is still cause for concern as to the sources Francis has chosen for his own climate change education. "

I can't find anything in your posts that disputes what they're saying he said. As a matter of fact, most of what you quoted sounds like some sort of gobbledygook doublespeak. It doesn't even make sense.

The question at hand is whether the pope said:

"If you trust only men you have lost," he told the young people in a long, rambling talk about war, trust and politics after putting aside his prepared address.

"It makes me think of ... people, managers, businessmen who call themselves Christian and they manufacture weapons. That leads to a bit a distrust, doesn't it?"

So would you ask me to trust a man who says that we shouldn't trust Christians who manufacture weapons, as he stands guarded by a phalanx of guards armed with weapons? The hypocrisy is so thick you can't cut it with a knife. No, I think this is the most fallible pope we've seen in my lifetime. Some of his ramblings make no sense whatsoever.

Oh yeah, "Lighten up, Francis".

 

[OKCHunter]

I'm not sure why a Catholics pope's words have any bearings on Christians whatsoever. He isn't anything to us.

Because the Catholic church is the original Christian church and the pope is the head of the Christian church.

 

[Riley]

I can't find anything in your posts that disputes what they're saying he said. As a matter of fact, most of what you quoted sounds like some sort of gobbledygook doublespeak. It doesn't even make sense.

The question at hand is whether the pope said:



So would you ask me to trust a man who says that we shouldn't trust Christians who manufacture weapons, as he stands guarded by a phalanx of guards armed with weapons? The hypocrisy is so thick you can't cut it with a knife. No, I think this is the most fallible pope we've seen in my lifetime. Some of his ramblings make no sense whatsoever.

Oh yeah, "Lighten up, Francis".

I think I have combined a statement he made at an event with what I was thinking we were talking about, which was my earlier reference to his recent encyclical.

The articles I referred to present some illumination to differences between what the media says he says and what he says. Which was my point.

I did not mean to suggest he did not make the original comments, just that they along with the global warming hype from the encyclical, and the previous marriage hype from the one before, may not be representing his actual words. Which often get glossed over because they make pretty significant pronouncements.

Ten Bears;

There are many good videos explaining the challenges of the church in current days.

There are obviously not restrictions on a Jesuit pope in that we now have one. Though he is the first....

I agree that "going off the reservation" as these comments seem to represent is rarely a good idea.

As for his prospective and that of his advisers, I think it has been heavily influences by their world view.

Catholics in OK represent some 3-4%. Not that many....

 

[Glocktogo]

I think I have combined a statement he made at an event with what I was thinking we were talking about, which was my earlier reference to his recent encyclical.

The articles I referred to present some illumination to differences between what the media says he says and what he says. Which was my point.

I did not mean to suggest he did not make the original comments, just that they along with the global warming hype from the encyclical, and the previous marriage hype from the one before, may not be representing his actual words. Which often get glossed over because they make pretty significant pronouncements.

Ten Bears;

There are many good videos explaining the challenges of the church in current days.

There are obviously not restrictions on a Jesuit pope in that we now have one. Though he is the first....

I agree that "going off the reservation" as these comments seem to represent is rarely a good idea.

As for his prospective and that of his advisers, I think it has been heavily influences by their world view.

Catholics in OK represent some 3-4%. Not that many....

I think his actual words represent his actual words. Unless you have evidence that he did not in fact speak them...

 

[Erick]

Because the Catholic church is the original Christian church and the pope is the head of the Christian church.

I appreciate the response but many would debate this. The Roman Catholic Church states they are the church that Jesus founded through Peter. They claim Peter at the first bishop of Rome. (Pope) and all others are in direct linage to Peter. However, I am still confused on why they gave Peter that title when Im not sure if Peter ever made it to Rome other than for his execution.

The Church wasn't allowed in the Roman Empire until the 300's. Thats a long span to call something original. Orthodox is more fitting right? Catholic is universal as in the claim that we are all one church and to a very large degree, I believe that. After the Reformation many branches came from the tree of Christ's Church. Many hoping to correct what the Roman Church had wrong. Distance from the 16 century pope was a big reason.

I love this Pope. Aside from some statements, I agree wholeheartedly with him. In many regards, he has inspired us to more Christ-like through example. I consider the pope to be a great leader and example in the church world.

*disclaimer, I typed this without google so kind fact checks please!*

 

[SMS]

Screw the pope. Yeah, that's right. Screw him.

Just another politician and authoritarian dressed in religous, and hypocrites, clothing.

I try to be a good man, and I've tried to learn some things about God and religion during my life, but the sanctimony of organized religion often turns my stomach.