speaking of the white deer

[bigcountryok]

I'd like to be able to use smellhounds like my daschund to bloodtrail and find a downed deer. There's a big difference between running deer with dogs and using a hound to find a poorly hit animal. I'd like to see that changed in the laws.

While I agree, teach the dog to trail in a harness on a leash, and "take them for a walk"

 

[deerwhacker444]

While I agree, teach the dog to trail in a harness on a leash, and "take them for a walk"

I found this, it's what Pennsylvania is trying to change their code to. It makes it legal as long a the dog is leashed. I think that's all it would take here. I think the GW could easily tell if a person was chasing deer or trying to find a downed one. You could also write the language to allow 1 dog only.

 

[WFT]

The gene pool has nothing to do with the reason white deer are illegal in Oklahoma. One reason only, "Native Ameican Lobby". Like it or not we live in a state like no other state in the Union. We have more Indian tribes than any state, and what land they don't own they have mineral right to (mabe a little exagerated). White deer are traditionally sacred to them, so that's it. You won't change this, or anything else that's supported by the Native American Council. It's all about MONEY, and the Native tribes in Oklahoma have more money than the entire State (Casino's on every corner). One day they will own this state entirely. Just the truth fella's, like it or not.

 

[dennishoddy]

I found this, it's what Pennsylvania is trying to change their code to. It makes it legal as long a the dog is leashed. I think that's all it would take here. I think the GW could easily tell if a person was chasing deer or trying to find a downed one. You could also write the language to allow 1 dog only.

I've posted this before.
The dog has to be on a leash, there can only be one dog.
Dog and owner have to have an internet photo on file with the ODW. The dog owner has to call the ODW or the local GW, or text them to notify the location of the dog/owner while doing the search, and notify them when the search is done.
The Dog and Owner must have a License from the ODW to do this(similar to trappers)
The ODW would make a little money with a small fee from the dog and owner, and more deer would be recovered.

The cost of recovery would be between the dog owner and person calling to request help.
The state has nothing to do with the transaction other than making sure the dog and owner are licensed and proper notification has been made.

This is just my thinking. Anybody else, feel free to improve the idea.

 

[Deer Slayer]

The reason for reg making it illegal for a person to kill a white deer is because it is bad medicine to kill a sacred animal to a native american. If you have a pibald or white deer on your leasehold or property that you want to harvest then you simply contact the ODWC director and ask for a letter to harvest the deer. Any questions??? I have checked.

 

[Mark Munkres]

I have tried using my dog to find dead deer with mixed results, but really I can't find anything in the regulations that prohibits using a dog to track a blood trail to find a dead deer. Maybe some one can point that out to me. I know you can't use hounds to run deer.

 

[deerwhacker444]

I like this..!
The dog has to be on a leash, there can only be one dog.
The dog owner has to call the ODW or the local GW, or text them to notify the location of the dog/owner while doing the search, and notify them when the search is done.

Don't like this.!
Dog and owner have to have an internet photo on file with the ODW. This would be a hassle. What if the dog dies or you change dogs. Don't believe it's any of the Gov't business
The Dog and Owner must have a License from the ODW to do this(similar to trappers)
The ODW would make a little money with a small fee from the dog and owner, and more deer would be recovered.
Again,..why should we pay the Gov't any more money. We've already bought the tags and licenses we're just trying to recover an animal, I don't think it's any of the Gov'ts business. Giving them all this info leads to regulation. I think the folks that want to do this could be self regulating without any help from Govt.

Just my $.02 worth, no flame intended.

I have tried using my dog to find dead deer with mixed results, but really I can't find anything in the regulations that prohibits using a dog to track a blood trail to find a dead deer. Maybe some one can point that out to me. I know you can't use hounds to run deer.

800:25-7-3. General provisions
(a) Any person hunting any wildlife in open areas during the deer gun, deer primitive, elk, bear or antelope season with a shotgun and rifled slug, or any rifle or handgun larger than a .22 caliber long rifle, must possess a valid deer, elk, bear or antelope license appropriate for that season unless otherwise exempt. Any person hunting feral hogs in open areas during the deer gun, deer primitive, elk, bear or antelope season with a shotgun and rifled slug, or any rifle or handgun larger than a .22 caliber rimfire, must possess a filled or unfilled deer, elk, bear or antelope license appropriate for that season unless otherwise exempt.
(b) No person while in the field may possess or attempt to harvest any wildlife, except waterfowl and crane, with shotgun utilizing shot larger than conventional BB.
(c) Any person participating in primitive firearms season, deer gun seasons, elk season, antelope season and bear gun season must conspicuously wear both a head covering and an outer garment above the waistline, both totaling 500 square inches or more of clothing, both consisting of daylight fluorescent orange color totaling not less than 400 square inches [Title 29 O.S., Section 5-205, Part A]. All other hunters, except those hunting waterfowl, crow or crane, or while hunting furbearing animals at night must wear either a head covering or upper garment of fluorescent orange clothing during the deer primitive firearms season, deer gun seasons, elk season, antelope season and bear primitive firearms season, or bear gun season in areas where these season are open.
(d) For purposes of pheasant, turkey, deer, elk, bear and antelope regulations, "final destination" shall be the hunter's residence or place of consumption.
(e) No person may possess any game bird, animal or other wildlife, or portions thereof that have been taken by another person unless such game bird, animal or other wildlife, contain information giving the taker's name, address, license number, date taken and the number and kind of game bird, animal or wildlife. In addition, information on deer, elk, antelope, bear and turkey must include where game was checked or electronic check station confirmation number as proof that the animal has been checked. The person's name and address receiving said wildlife must also appear on the written information.
(f) No person shall concentrate, drive, molest, hunt, take, capture or kill; or attempt to take any wildlife by the aid of any fire or smoke whether man-made or natural.
(g) No person may hunt, chase, capture, shoot at, wound or kill any moose or Rocky Mountain bighorn sheep, except as otherwise provided by statute or Commission rule.
(h) Private landowner regulations regarding any items covered by these rules may be more restrictive, but not less restrictive than these rules.
(i) Dogs may be used in taking all game species in these rules except bear, deer, elk, antelope and turkey.
(j) Except as otherwise provided for by law or Commission rule, nothing shall prohibit the year round pursuit of game, which may be lawfully hunted with the use of hunting dogs, for dog training or sport only. However unless otherwise provided, no person in pursuit of game with hunting dogs outside of the regular harvest season shall have in their possession the means to harvest such game.
(k) The pursuit of feral hogs with a shotgun on private property is not restricted by shot size.

Although the language is vague, they would probably give you a ticket.

 

[Pulp]

Sad to say, but I know folks who have been ticketed for having their poodle in camp during deer season.

 

[r00s7a]

Just my $.02 worth, no flame intended.

I completely agree with your likes and dislikes.


As for receiving a citation for having a poodle in camp... I call BS. If it did happen, it was a BS reason to receive a citation.

 

[dennishoddy]

Just my $.02 worth, no flame intended.

No offense taken, its a discussion to bring up ideas. Some may be bad, some may not be.

Originally Posted by dennishoddy
I like this..!
The dog has to be on a leash, there can only be one dog.
The dog owner has to call the ODW or the local GW, or text them to notify the location of the dog/owner while doing the search, and notify them when the search is done.

I think the folks that want to do this could be self regulating without any help from Govt.
There are too many jackholes out there that would take advantage of having a dog in the woods during deer season.
I can hear it now....But, officer the dog got off the leash, but I know where he is by his baying
So that brings up another point. Should the dog handler, be allowed to carry a firearm, in case the deer is still alive?
By having them licensed, They would be the only people allowed in the woods with dogs, and a violation would result in suspension of those privledges.