Thinking about quitting the dept.

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I am a volunteer firefighter (Equipment Operator). I've been in the fire service for about 13 years and I love it so much but for about the last 2 years I've been put in the position of an officer (managing a shift and all the other duties that follow) and with no promotion. I have asked several times why I've haven't been promoted and I get the answer "I'm trying to set new standards and you are the lucky one for me to start with. You need to get your firefighter 2, Fire Officer, and so on" but I don't feel it's the truth. Every time I get close to what he wants he adds more to it. I feel the chief doesn't feel confident enough to promote me yet I have the same duties as the other officers. Now when we have our monthly meetings the paid guys gripe and complain about how they are getting screwed and how they aren't treated right. Then we have other volunteers that gripe and complain about others and it has nothing to do with them. I know this is the same everywhere you go but It's get old and I need to vent. I'm thinking about quitting cause it not worth the stress of being on call every third day, training every Tuesday night, and dealing with everyone elses crap. It's just not fun anymore. That's the whole reason I joined 13 years ago.:soapbox:

I was in nearly the exact position about 9 months ago, so I'll tell you what I did, and you can take it or leave it. I've been on my local volunteer department for 12 years June 1. I became Chief in 2007 when we had a leadership change for the good of the department. The stress of leading a department, carrying a full time paid job, and dealing with people and politics in town greatly soured my attitude toward the department and the job. In July of last year we made the transition to a combination department like yours. At that time I resigned as Chief because it was what I needed to do for my family financially, but I remained as Captain of one of our stations. We train weekly like you do, and I have responsibilities as an officer. I took a 30 day break from the officer corp to get a perspective on the department and how I felt about it. It was the best thing I had done. I guess a question I have is what is the ratio of paid to volunteers? When we made the transition, we put the daily responsibilities of running the department onto the paid guys. The volunteers pretty much just run calls and train now. The break to evaluate your priorities would probably be good for you. What kept me going is knowing that all the BS you deal with is worth it when you save someone's life or property. Try to go back to having fun with it like when you first started. The other comments were right on about not letting the gossip spread. However, the Chief ought to man up and stop that. In the end, you have to do what's best for you and your family. You've already done more than alot of folks in the town. Good luck, hope some of this helped.
 

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Quitting is something you need to think through - a lot! Don't let a PERSON determine if you quit, unless he owns the damned place! If you just flat don't like the JOB, then that is a different story. I've seen people quit a job they have had for a long time simply because their boss was a butt, then 6 mos. later the boss is gone for some reason. I realize the "volunteer" status makes it different in many ways, but the principle still stands.

Sometimes a superior can't tell you the total story, due to confidentiality, but otherwise if you lay out your cards to him, he should have the balls to lay out the truth to you. Just make sure you have really given him a fair chance to do that. Make sure he understands your concerns first. Lots of times people think they have made their point clear, when in reality they are expecting their boss to be a mind reader.

Good luck! Put everything in perspective.
 

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You are seven years from full retirement, it will go fast. Get the chief for something in writing for you to go by on what schools. Complete them and say fill you promise. There are lots of depts that need experienced hands on roll. Think hard before quoting, it was the lives saved and safety of community most join. I'm working on 21 years and there has been times I thought I was done but still here

7 years from retirement??? I thought he was VOLUNTEERING? Am I missing something? Do these guys get some kind of pay and/or benefits?
 

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I was in nearly the exact position about 9 months ago, so I'll tell you what I did, and you can take it or leave it. I've been on my local volunteer department for 12 years June 1. I became Chief in 2007 when we had a leadership change for the good of the department. The stress of leading a department, carrying a full time paid job, and dealing with people and politics in town greatly soured my attitude toward the department and the job. In July of last year we made the transition to a combination department like yours. At that time I resigned as Chief because it was what I needed to do for my family financially, but I remained as Captain of one of our stations. We train weekly like you do, and I have responsibilities as an officer. I took a 30 day break from the officer corp to get a perspective on the department and how I felt about it. It was the best thing I had done. I guess a question I have is what is the ratio of paid to volunteers? When we made the transition, we put the daily responsibilities of running the department onto the paid guys. The volunteers pretty much just run calls and train now. The break to evaluate your priorities would probably be good for you. What kept me going is knowing that all the BS you deal with is worth it when you save someone's life or property. Try to go back to having fun with it like when you first started. The other comments were right on about not letting the gossip spread. However, the Chief ought to man up and stop that. In the end, you have to do what's best for you and your family. You've already done more than alot of folks in the town. Good luck, hope some of this helped.

Everyones advice helps. To answer your question we have about 20 volunteers and 5 paid guys 6 including the chief but he is for the volunteers. One of the big problems is the paid guys just went Union and are causing all sorts of problems. from what I understand the paid guys are trying to run off the volunteers because we are supposedly taking away their jobs. They are complaining about not getting called back in when we have a structure fire or something big. but then they don't wanna answer the phone or show up when it happens. They're a bunch of other things going on but I'm not in the clique so I'm out of the loop on it all. The chief keeps saying he don't want the volunteers to know because it will start a bunch of crap between the 2. But I don't think that's right either. We are very short handed on personnel and I think he is afraid of the volunteers getting mad and quitting the dept. So he's trying to keep peace.
 

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7 years from retirement??? I thought he was VOLUNTEERING? Am I missing something? Do these guys get some kind of pay and/or benefits?

Yes we get entered into the state pension and we can get a full retirement after 20 years. Also we do get compensated for the calls we run at our dept. the base pay is 5 dollars for every call and you get a 1 dollar more for every major cert. such as firefighter 1, National Registry First Responder, and so on. We run approximately 1200 calls a year and get paid twice a year. It' nothing big but it helps. Just to set the record straight I'm not there for that reason. I would be doing even if I didn't get anything. When I started I did it for free and I didn't have a problem then.
 

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You are seven years from full retirement, it will go fast. Get the chief for something in writing for you to go by on what schools. Complete them and say fill you promise. There are lots of depts that need experienced hands on roll. Think hard before quoting, it was the lives saved and safety of community most join. I'm working on 21 years and there has been times I thought I was done but still here


When you retire as a volunteer firefighter, what do you get? You dont get a pension, you probably dont even get a gold watch, hell, you probably cant even retire from being a volunteer? This post makes no sense at all...
 

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When you retire as a volunteer firefighter, what do you get? You dont get a pension, you probably dont even get a gold watch, hell, you probably cant even retire from being a volunteer? This post makes no sense at all...

Yes we get entered into the state pension and we can get a full retirement after 20 years. Also we do get compensated for the calls we run at our dept. the base pay is 5 dollars for every call and you get a 1 dollar more for every major cert. such as firefighter 1, National Registry First Responder, and so on. We run approximately 1200 calls a year and get paid twice a year. It' nothing big but it helps. Just to set the record straight I'm not there for that reason. I would be doing even if I didn't get anything. When I started I did it for free and I didn't have a problem then.
 

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From what you're saying, and what I know from being in the Chief's position at one time, I'll bet budget is a big issue.
1. He probably calls back volunteers vs. paid because they are cheaper and he isn't paying overtime.
2. The union is a big issue. I've seen it tear departments apart. When you make the transition to paid, things get touchy.
3. You guys are running about 3 times the calls we are with about 5 more guys, the Chief is going to do all he can to keep every hand on deck. Your town obviously needs it.

I think my suggestion would be to either suck it up, or look at possibly resigning your leadership position. We call it " going back to the yellow helmet", because that's what our firefighters wear who aren't officers. I wish you luck buddy, you're in a situation that will probably get worse before it gets better. good luck.
 

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