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Trying to learn from the situation since I sit in church many Sundays thinking about the possibility of this happening. Would the first guy who was standing and attempting to draw have stood a better chance had he attempted to draw while seated? Idk. I’ve thought about it since long before this happened and have decided that if possible I will have my weapon ready when I stand up and draw attention. I hope I don’t sound rude second guessing what the guy did and maybe it wouldn’t have mattered but I believe there may always be something to learn.

I commend you for trying to learn from it. This is something we rarely get. Decent video. More will come out.


It looks like he was trying to draw from a small of back holster or from a rear pocket. That is a red flag for me to start with. His movements made it easy for the perp to react.
Yes, a stealth draw would have been better, but difficult from his apparent carry position. There was 3.2 seconds from the shotgun presentation to the perp firing.
Carry position choice, holster selection, and shooter training could have put a shot on the perp in well under 2.5 seconds. But 95% of Concealed Carriers can do it. I’ve worked with several that put in done time that can. The key is knowing what you can and cannot do. I know several peers that can pull that shot off in sub 1 second seated from an appendix position.


I’ll be frank. I cringe when I see many posts on this forum about weapon, belt and holster choice. Each minor thing can take tenths of a second off of the draw. Things that make that action survivable. And the one that took the second blast likely would have survived.

I’m waiting to hear more. I think the perp shot himself or was hit by another round. Not enough evidence from the video, but that was 3 distinct sounds and I don’t believe the third was a pistol. Sound recorded can be misleading.
 

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I’m waiting to hear more. I think the perp shot himself or was hit by another round. Not enough evidence from the video, but that was 3 distinct sounds and I don’t believe the third was a pistol. Sound recorded can be misleading.

I disagree, I think thr 3rd shot was distinctly different than the first two, and it looked to me like it came from the guy with the pistol aimed from the left toward the shotgunner. It looked like a headshot to me, it almost looked like a significant portion of his head came off, and I couldn't understand that - but then a report I read from a witness said she thought the guy might have been wearing a wig or something. This could have been what I see flying up at theheadshot and he could have lost the wig.

Who knows, it's all speculation at this point, but for me, this is just more absolute and incontrovertible proof that we NEED to carry everywhere, ESPECIALLY in church, and that those in government who seek to further restrict our rights to do so are completely in the WRONG and need to be resisted with all possible vigor.
 

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I don’t have Facebook but I am able to view this and see the video interview with the guy who killed the shooter.
 

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I’m waiting to hear more. I think the perp shot himself or was hit by another round. Not enough evidence from the video, but that was 3 distinct sounds and I don’t believe the third was a pistol. Sound recorded can be misleading.

Take another look at the video at the point of the attack. The Good Guy shooter takes aim and shows a clear recoil motion as the Bad Guy shooter goes down. I can't guarantee the Good Guy made the kill, but he clearly took a shot.
 

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Take another look at the video at the point of the attack. The Good Guy shooter takes aim and shows a clear recoil motion as the Bad Guy shooter goes down. I can't guarantee the Good Guy made the kill, but he clearly took a shot.

I noticed a flash in the video so I captured the video and took a frame by frame look.

The bad guys shotgun goes off the exact same time the good guy shoots.

Here is the frame before the shot, the shot, and after the shot.


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Edit to correct the picture order.
 

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