Active Military officers here? I could use your help/assistance/advice

[seurto]

There is no need to join until after she gets accepted to medical school. I think most people who join at the beginning of med school are captains shortly after graduating. Even with the "free" education most people who join military medicine regret it. The free tuition is a small stipend for the years of diminished income, the possibility of being forced into a residency you have little interest in, and the multiple forced moves and potential deployments. Go tohttp://www.studentdoctor.net and peruse the military medicine forum. Also, everything the recruiter tells you isa lie unless you have it in writing.

thanks for the link bob, and yeah, by ex-marine buddy (who is like an uncle to her) was LIVID when he found out that she talked to a recruiter.. lol

For the same reason..

 

[SMS]

Yea, exactly was my comment/expressed concern..
For some reason, she's TOTALLY against being in the USAF, other than the remote possibility of going to AF Academy in Colorado (we went camping/jeeping in colorado this summer and she loved it and now wants to move there) something to do with being on the ground helping the grunts and not standing around a water cooler watching a video game.. Her words, not mine. lol

LOL...but seriously she needs to get educated about today's Air Force...it ain't all A/C and lab coats.

Air Force medical folks are everywhere doing everything, including special ops. She is cheating herself by eliminating an entire branch of service because of an outdated stereotype.

 

[Koshinn]

It took me and a couple of ex-marine buddies a couple of YEARS to talk her down to the Navy (enlisted guys, and, we were looking at her "as a woman" in the marines, and it being a contradictory concept, to grunts.. And how our baby gurl would just be a peice of meat in the core)

If you're concerned about that, don't send her to any service academy. The USAFA is unfortunately notorious for that, but the other academies have a bad rep as well. Trust me, regular undergrad -> med school is the best choice, with ROTC or direct commissioning.

Although, my wife (who just FINALLY finished her engineering degree after returning to school while raising the kids) has a gurlfriend who went straight commission into the Marines when she graduated, and she says she loves it.. I dont see how, cuz she was a manhater with daddy issues, but I digress..

I don't know for sure, but there might be a correlation. A lot of porn stars have daddy issues too.

Great info man, greatly appreciate it.. For some reason, she's TOTALLY against being in the USAF, other than the remote possibility of going to AF Academy in Colorado (we went camping/jeeping in colorado this summer and she loved it and now wants to move there) something to do with being on the ground helping the grunts and not standing around a water cooler watching a video game.. Her words, not mine. lol
My dad is retired USAF, and looks like he's got my brother looking into it as well..

There are a lot of "grunts" in the USAF too, and they'll appreciate her here. The USAF is picking up a lot of the Army's slack and running convoys and such overseas. Pilots can't fly without being cleared by docs too.

 

[BobBarker]

FYI, psychiatrists complete medical school as well. Psychologist is the word you were looking for.

 

[seurto]

LOL...but seriously she needs to get educated about today's Air Force...it ain't all A/C and lab coats.
Air Force medical folks are everywhere doing everything, including special ops. She is cheating herself by eliminating an entire branch of service because of an outdated stereotype.

Well, her primary info about the USAF is grandpa stories about laughing at the Army having to do PT every morning, while they slept off benders in germany.. lol

But, I gave her the link to this thread, and hopefully, this info will change her mind.. Hell, she may even post up..

If you're concerned about that, don't send her to any service academy. The USAFA is unfortunately notorious for that, but the other academies have a bad rep as well. Trust me, regular undergrad -> med school is the best choice, with ROTC or direct commissioning.
I don't know for sure, but there might be a correlation. A lot of porn stars have daddy issues too.
There are a lot of "grunts" in the USAF too, and they'll appreciate her here. The USAF is picking up a lot of the Army's slack and running convoys and such overseas. Pilots can't fly without being cleared by docs too.

Uh, I'm not necessarily worried about her "being a piece of meat" in any other branch, or in a generic social setting.. the marines, are, in a class all unto themselves.. lol (not offensively, just that my best friend is one and out of all of my ex-mil buddies, ex-marines are the funnest/crudest to be around, and share my dark sense of humor more often than most)..

My daughter's pretty sarcastic and sharp, and she can handle herself pretty well.. think tomboy with a chip on her shoulder to make you prove your worthy to treat her like a gurl.. If that puts it into perspective for ya..

She took tia-kwon-do, instead of ballet, when she was little.. lol
She was always competing with her "little" brother (who is now 6'2" and towers over her)..

 

[seurto]

FYI, psychiatrists complete medical school as well. Psychologist is the word you were looking for.

corrected, thanks.. I just remember that one can perscribe you happy pills, and the other has you focus on happy thoughts.. lol

 

[Koshinn]

Well, her primary info about the USAF is grandpa stories about laughing at the Army having to do PT every morning, while they slept off benders in germany.. lol

I'm in a desk job position right now, and we do PT at least 3 times a week. My classmate from techschool does PT 5 times a week and has been to numerous combat training courses because she's deployable with only 24 hours of notice. When her squadron deploys, they take a lot of firepower with them... and they're only there to set up communications.

Uh, I'm not necessarily worried about her "being a piece of meat" in any other branch, or in a generic social setting.. the marines, are, in a class all unto themselves.. lol (not offensively, just that my best friend is one and out of all of my ex-mil buddies, ex-marines are the funnest/crudest to be around, and share my dark sense of humor more often than most)..

My daughter's pretty sarcastic and sharp, and she can handle herself pretty well.. think tomboy with a chip on her shoulder to make you prove your worthy to treat her like a gurl.. If that puts it into perspective for ya..

She took tia-kwon-do, instead of ballet, when she was little.. lol
She was always competing with her "little" brother (who is now 6'2" and towers over her)..

From your response, I'm thinking your definition of "piece of meat" doesn't match mine. If I had a daughter that wanted to be in the military, I'd do my best to keep her away from the academies and to convince her to do ROTC. ROTC not only makes better officers (in many people's opinions, including mine), but cadets in ROTC don't miss out on the college experience either. And as for the Marines, no other branch respects their officers as much as the Marine Corps.

 

[seurto]

I'm in a desk job position right now, and we do PT at least 3 times a week. My classmate from techschool does PT 5 times a week and has been to numerous combat training courses because she's deployable with only 24 hours of notice. When her squadron deploys, they take a lot of firepower with them... and they're only there to set up communications.
From your response, I'm thinking your definition of "piece of meat" doesn't match mine. If I had a daughter that wanted to be in the military, I'd do my best to keep her away from the academies and to convince her to do ROTC. ROTC not only makes better officers (in many people's opinions, including mine), but cadets in ROTC don't miss out on the college experience either. And as for the Marines, no other branch respects their officers as much as the Marine Corps.

I'm thinking of a "piece of meat" from 2 perspectives, and, my ex-marine buddies, although respected the rank of an officer, yes, but resented females officers with a passion as thier perspective was from a young enlisted man.. None of my marine buddies doubt my daughter would accel in the core, at the same time, they emphatically recommend other branches of the military, for her desired career path..

My cousin, who was a navigator on the B1's, as recently as 2009, sorta presented the same relaxed attitude about his time served, as my father did in 73'.. But, we really werent focusing on the "strenuousness" of the program, moreso the notion of a medical career path and possibilities in the USAF (as, my daughter is fairly physically fit oriented, runs 2 miles a day or so.. I dunno, I just drive when I need to go somewhere lol)..

I'm not pushing her to an academy, I think it would be a neat achievement, but, she's got a gauranteed free ride at LSU, so, that's prolly where she will go.. And the ROTC program will prolly be the route that she goes, specially after her seeing the feedback from this thread.

It was our originally intended route, just sorta got thwarted with fairy tales from a recruiter, and so, wanted to offset his information with informed, non-biased input from people who are or have been recently there..

And I greatly appreciate the feedback and info guys.. thanks

 

[R. Johnson]

Well, if she decides to lean towards the Army she doesn't need to waste her time with ROTC, especially if she has other methods of paying for school. Enlisting in the Guard would give her valuable enlisted experience, but she will deploy, no doubt about it, but all the best officers were NCO's first. Anyway, no ROTC, it's a waste of time, she can go to OCS after she has her bachelors or get a direct appointment after she has her doctorate. ROTC and West Point cadets don't really have anything up on the OCS candidates, especially when it comes to being a doctor. Her free time in college would be better spent studying to get into medical school than it would dealing with ROTC nonsense.

Not to mention there were lieutenants in my officer basic course who came out of ROTC who had never even fired a service weapon.

 

[seurto]

update for all of you interested..

After my daughter reading the thread here, and perusing a forum link that BobBarker posted (thanks bob, again, that forum has a wealth of information for her), and after further discussion with me and my dad, we have come to the conclusion that her best course of action will be to focus on her bachelors and get the grades.. Military service will come AFTER she gets her bachelors.. Hopefully, she will get accepted into med school and from there, (4yrs away) we can see the outlook on life and if she is still as interested in embarking on a military career as well..

OTOH, with all this discussion about serving going on in my dad's house (my daughter lives with my parents in Louisiana), my brother has jumped into the fray (20yrs old, couple of lackluster semesters in college) and went down to the recruiters office and took his ASVAB.. He will be enlisting in the Air Force..

I GREATLY appreciate everyones time and effort, in giving us some insight and feedback on this..

thanks all..
Brian