Man robs bank in order to obtain medical treatment

[_CY_]

that's total BS and you know it.
Canadian folks are not coming to US for normal procedures.
USA is the land of specialists and that who the folks coming to USA are seeing

open your eyes... yes Medicare is working for the millions of folks that's getting healthcare delivered to them at very low costs. what's bad is all the stupid/complex options elderly are asked to choose from. healthcare options that are so complex a health normal age person has a hard time deciphering.

yet they expect an elderly person to make those choices.... totally bogus!!!
again the only one benefiting is the HUGE corporates, insurance and drug companies, etc

to keep Medicare from going bankrupt... it's quite simple, but probably politically impossible.
keep the profit incentives out of Medicare...

did you know 1 out of 5 medical claims are inaccurately handled by insurance companies?
this adds billions $$$ to costs of delivering healthcare

Never said innovations didn't originate in the USA ... go back and read what I posted
most of the innovations starts out at the university level, which is subsidized by the US government.
then they are taken by private entities and used to make HUGE profits.

never said the us picks all the tab, but what the US government does is subsidize HUGE $$$$ to universities for raw research. very few private drug companies invest in raw research. they almost only invest in promising technologies discovered by raw research at our universities.

Worst track records.... which is why people fly here to have procedures done?

Medicare is working? What world are you living in? Talk to me in a few years when the money runs out and the gradual tightening and extensive bureaucracy makes it worthless.



Tests nowdays are a CYA type thing from everything I've been exposed to. How are Canadian doctors rewarded for "healthy" patients?



They ARE developed here. Sorry but we are the innovators, don't like it? Can't admit it? Deny it all you like but it's just the way it is.



There are grants etc, but you've lost your mind if you think they gov picks up all of the tab.



There's some reform to be had, actually, what needs to happen is the easing of patents so that generics can be more competitive.



Yes, you absolutely deserve to get what someone else makes. Socialism isn't the answer, never has been..... never will be.

 

[338Shooter]

You should post below the post you are quoting.

 

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Canadians visiting the US to receive health care

Some residents of Canada travel to the United States because it provides the nearest facility for their needs. Some do so on quality grounds or because of easier access. A study by Barer, et al., indicates that the majority of Canadians who seek health care in the U.S. are already there for other reasons, including business travel or vacations. A smaller proportion seek care in the U.S. for reasons of confidentiality, including abortions, mental illness, substance abuse, and other problems that they may not wish to divulge to their local physician, family, or employer.

In a Canadian National Population Health Survey of 17,276 Canadian residents, it was reported that only 0.5% sought medical care in the US in the previous year. Of these, less than a quarter had traveled to the U.S. expressly to get that care.[74]
A 2002 study by Katz, Cardiff, et al., reported the number of Canadians using U.S. services to be "barely detectible relative to the use of care by Canadians at home" and that the results "do not support the widespread perception that Canadian residents seek care extensively in the United States."[75]

US citizens visiting Canada to receive health care

On the other hand, some US citizens travel to Canada for health-care related reasons:

Many US citizens purchase prescription drugs from Canada, either over the Internet or by traveling there to buy them in person, because prescription drug prices in Canada are substantially lower than prescription drug prices in the United States; this cross-border purchasing has been estimated at $1 billion annually.[94]

Sarah Palin, in an appearance in Calgary, told her audience that her family once used the Canadian health-care system,[96] before the Canada Health Act although she says it was in the 60s, when the Canadian healthcare system was beginning to reform.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#Canadians_visiting_the_US_to_receive_health_care

 

[dru]

Well at least with trying to knock over a bank at least he can be sure of getting his fill of prostate exams

 

[vdub]

Another prime example of how this country is swirling around the crapper about to go down the drain. Don't feel like paying for something, cannot afford it or don't want to work? Don't worry just live off the great US.gov teat!!! The honest, hardworking people will pay for it because the government screws the productive people of the country instead. There is no reasonable or logical rationalization of his behavior and attempt to get free healthcare by robbing a bank.

Also to note, people can contact the pharmaceutical companies and get discounts on medicine. My mom, who is on a limited income, saves several hundreds of dollars on her medicine directly through the drug manufacturer. They even gave her three month's supply for FREE while they process all the paperwork!!!!!!!! I know shocking isn't it!!! All those big, bag pharmaceutical companies helping out the little people on fixed incomes!!!

If she needed it and couldn't afford it all, guess what? I would help her with money to make sure she could afford it. That is what family is for!!

 

[poopgiggle]

There is no reasonable or logical rationalization of his behavior and attempt to get free healthcare by robbing a bank.

Really? He calculated that he wouldn't cause harm to anyone else or get harmed himself in commission of the crime and he had (good) reason to believe that he'd be treated in prison. Sounds logical to me.

In other news, lots of Americans are now flying to India to get expensive medical procedures done because the surgeons are of equal (or better) quality and it's way cheaper. I guess we should change our system to be more like India's, huh?

 

[inactive]

Well, India's systems isn't much different than ours (private, capitalist). The difference there is simply our purchasing power parity

 

[poopgiggle]

Well, India's systems isn't much different than ours (private, capitalist). The difference there is simply our purchasing power parity

I'm trying to demonstrate the flaws in an argument by providing an equally flawed argument. Quit messin' it up with your big words...and your small, difficult words.

 

[vdub]

Really? He calculated that he wouldn't cause harm to anyone else or get harmed himself in commission of the crime and he had (good) reason to believe that he'd be treated in prison. Sounds logical to me.

Take your illogical rationalization and talk to the teller who was taken to the hospital due to his stupid act. See what she has to say. If she had died of a heart attack due to his stupid act, I hope he would have been charged with murder.

I love the fact you are actually trying to justify the fact since no one got "hurt" that everything is A-OK! I bet you try to rationalize not charging someone with DUI/DWI if no one dies when the person drove drunk. Another reason why this country is going down the crapper.

 

[_CY_]

unless I read the story wrong... the man that planned the bank robbery to get medical help was not a deadbeat.

he was gainfully employed until he couldn't physically work anymore. it was a rational decision that he carried out with planning.

the folks you are referring to are the institutionalized one who are permanently on government assistance. who are probably able bodied enough to work, but find it's easier to live off the government. those are the people that get free medical care from the government.

what's sad are all the hard working folks who saved for retirement only to be bankrupt by a major medical event. this is even with medical insurance, who typically require a HUGE contribution after a certain amount is surpassed.

how many people do you know that could withstand say a $100k hit??? that would bankrupt most folks in a heartbeat. whereas it's not all the uncommon to rack up $100k+ with a major medical event.

medical costs have gone out of control. instead of getting rid of the insurance companies. they are entrenched further and making yet more profits than ever before. other government have zero need for insurance companies and pay direct to medical providers. why can't the US do the same?

one could say the same for drug companies... other government negotiate lower rates with drug companies... ours makes illegal to negotiate price with drug companies. so we pay say 20x+ higher for identical items say the Canadians pay.

Another prime example of how this country is swirling around the crapper about to go down the drain. Don't feel like paying for something, cannot afford it or don't want to work? Don't worry just live off the great US.gov teat!!! The honest, hardworking people will pay for it because the government screws the productive people of the country instead. There is no reasonable or logical rationalization of his behavior and attempt to get free healthcare by robbing a bank.

Also to note, people can contact the pharmaceutical companies and get discounts on medicine. My mom, who is on a limited income, saves several hundreds of dollars on her medicine directly through the drug manufacturer. They even gave her three month's supply for FREE while they process all the paperwork!!!!!!!! I know shocking isn't it!!! All those big, bag pharmaceutical companies helping out the little people on fixed incomes!!!

If she needed it and couldn't afford it all, guess what? I would help her with money to make sure she could afford it. That is what family is for!!