American Airlines Tulsa

[HMFIC]

I'm' wondering about HMFIC's claim that AA was the only airline who DIDN'T file bankruptcy after 9/11.... is it just me, or am I wrong in remembering if that was because they had ALREADY filed only a couple of years before? Not to mention that the airlines got a huge bailout from the .gov not long after that.

I honestly can't say for sure, I was repeating something I heard on the news. I have heard that AA has never filed before also.

I also heard today on talk radio that the airline industry as a whole has never made a profit in a single year. That's surprising if true and I don't understand how that is possible... ?

 

[Jefpainthorse]

Now people are idiots? LOL

If the shoe fits.

I asked a question of you and any one else who thinks your neighbor makes too much money.
What's a hour worth?

Don't tell me to " work harder" or live within your means.

If a large segment of your economy doesn't make a good wage the rich don't get richer.... the poor stay poor... And all you guys who are "making it on our own" end up in a soup line with everyone except the few who get rich at the expense of our sweat and blood.

If you don't get that your stupid or delusional.... As much or more than Barry O is on the same topics.

 

[PUMPKIN]

Who was the question for?

 

[Lurkerinthewoods]

Go ask the mechanic in LA, Chicago, NY, Miami, etc. that is working 3 jobs to get by if he is overpaid.

And after you get your answer, ask them why they choose to live in places that have such an inflated cost of living. I also want to add that my best friend of over 30 years transferred from the Tulsa maintenance plant to the NY facility and received a very healthy raise in pay for doing so. I also have seen first hand the employees clocking in and going home and returning 30 minutes before their shift was over to clock out.

I don't agree that American should ship their maintenance work over seas, but the fact is, every other carrier has done it for years and I can't recall them doing so resulting in a major airline crash. I have been on SW, Delta, and United flights where something has happened to the plane during pre-flight and witnessed a contracted maintenance company performing the repairs.

I hope that my friend and others on this site find that their seniority keeps them employed, but I also hope they keep the door open to new opportunities that present themselves. I know my friend spent a lot of time and sacrificed a lot to get his mechanic license, only to see this happen.

 

[Jefpainthorse]

There's 2 right off the bat who can't answer a simple question

 

[Lurkerinthewoods]

There's 2 right off the bat who can't answer a simple question

An hour of your time is worth what someone else is willing to pay you for it.

 

[Jefpainthorse]

True,
based on what he thinks he can make off that hour.

I'll skip the hard parts of this.. It boils down to this...... If a MBA can afford to pay me $27 and he pays himself $5 million a year why should I work for less?

It's seems worse when he still makes $5 mil and the company is bankrupt on paper.... Then makes some other MBA a wad of money in mergers and acquisitions.

 

[reddog1]

If the shoe fits.

I asked a question of you and any one else who thinks your neighbor makes too much money.
What's a hour worth?

Don't tell me to " work harder" or live within your means.

If a large segment of your economy doesn't make a good wage the rich don't get richer.... the poor stay poor... And all you guys who are "making it on our own" end up in a soup line with everyone except the few who get rich at the expense of our sweat and blood.

If you don't get that your stupid or delusional.... As much or more than Barry O is on the same topics.

When I was talking about 27 bucks an hour, I was being a bit jeallous, OK alot jeallous!...I'm thinking... damn, let ME try to live on 27 bucks an hour!
I wasnt entertaining the thought that those peeps made too much money, not at all. More power to them.

 

[gl55]

Move to OKC and apply at Tinker AFB. They are always hiring airplane techs. And you know you will never have to worry about the Federal Government going bankrupt.

 

[Stephen Cue]

. I also have seen first hand the employees clocking in and going home and returning 30 minutes before their shift was over to clock out.

There are dead A$$es at EVERY company, AA has a lot but, they have alot of people (for now). Per capita I would say they are on par with every other company union or not.


I have been with AA since November '95 and have been a loyal asset to them the entire time. Yes there are bad people in the union and we do not police our own like we should 100% of the time, but the as a whole the vast majority of co-workers I know earn their keep. For those that think AA employees are overpaid then you are definitely speaking out of your element. Not everyone there makes $27/ hour which is actually a little less than the national average for a licensed AMT. Many union employees make less. No one starts at AA making top out pay. It takes several years to get there and sometimes over a decade. I started out making $6 an hour and worked my way up the scale over a 16 year period and for what I do I earn it.

Shootin' - you are right that people should not live above their means, I do not. I have no large debt and as a shop steward I have been preaching to people about being finacially fit for years. That being said It will hurt when I am laid off, it will not devastate me but It will hurt. I wish I could say that for all my fellow employees but I know that is not true. You said that someone is overpaid if they cannot find another job that pays them the same. True in a perfect world in a city that was not already hemoraging with people with the same skill set and if every company paid for experience. Sadly this is not the case.

If anyone in northeast Oklahoma not directly related to the aerospace industry thinks this will have adverse effects on them in some way they are sadly confused. AA and their employees imput a lot of economic life into this part of the state and in a couple of years when AA is entirely out of the maintenance business, the Tulsa base is closed down and AA is preferring to reward foreign slave labor over Americans; there will be blood so to speak. If you're in the food industry, automotive industry, housing market, retail industry, If you own a small industrial shop that contracts with joe blow, who contracts with jim bob that contracts with AA.....YOU WILL BE AFFECTED!

We can blame unions and management. But coming from someone that works at AA and does not make business decisions, I know I take no blame. I gave them their money's worth in production and I know all the guys in my crew do as well. I cannot say they same for executives that do make business decisions and that took bonuses and other rewards while not sharing the sacrifice of concessions in 2003. Ill never understand rewarding an executive during non profitable years that did not do anything anymore innovative than his predecessor.

I will find a new source of income. It may not be right away, but it will happen. Thanks in advance for those that pay taxes because I may soak up some government entitlements for a while ;D