So, how many years in jail.....

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I don't feel like getting banned (yet), but you are an idiot.

Really? If you're gonna throw an ad hominem attack out there. . . which by the rules is in itself supposed to be a bankable offense, you can do better than calling me an idiot. Don't like the fact that people decided to fight back, then don't be a tool for a government that's gone completely sideways. At some point you may have the make the choice between following orders and doing what's right.
 

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I am honestly curious how accurate any of it is, that's not an attack on Jeff, simply that a ton of mis-information seems to be coming out....

I'm using information from the FAA. Of course, I'm sure it will be discounted since it's a government agency.

NOTAMs aren't exactly something the government would want to fudge.
 

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If it comes to a shootout with the feds, the .....mmmmmm.... insurrectionists will be sucking hind tit on fire power. It's sad but true. Even if the full blown military stands down, federal agencies have the best firepower.

Firepower is often not the deciding factor. Insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan (among other places) have been causing the US military (which still outclasses law enforcement, despite LE's best efforts) trouble for decades. Insurgents in Vietnam managed to give us hell for a good long while, to the point that we finally gave up.

For that matter, if you're a student of history, a bunch of civilian insurrectionists managed to repel the world's most powerful army back in about 1776...and God bless 'em.
 

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Insurgents in Vietnam managed to give us hell for a good long while, to the point that we finally gave up.

To be clear on this statement, the politicians gave up. The Military did not. The US Military did not loose a single major battle in Vietnam. If the ROE had been relaxed, and the targeting of enemy placements by air were taken away from the white house and given to the Tacticians that know how to win a war, the military could have ended the Vietnam war in a year.
 

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To be clear on this statement, the politicians gave up. The Military did not. The US Military did not loose a single major battle in Vietnam. If the ROE had been relaxed, and the targeting of enemy placements by air were taken away from the white house and given to the Tacticians that know how to win a war, the military could have ended the Vietnam war in a year.


agreed.
 

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To be clear on this statement, the politicians gave up. The Military did not. The US Military did not loose a single major battle in Vietnam. If the ROE had been relaxed, and the targeting of enemy placements by air were taken away from the white house and given to the Tacticians that know how to win a war, the military could have ended the Vietnam war in a year.

Do you really think the politicians have the will to run a prolonged full-scale war against American citizens on American soil?
 

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Seeing that the drones come out of Creech AFB north of Vegas...

The actual no fly was 3 miles over the ranch

The land in question on the grazing lease is about the size of Deleware.

Sorry for the confusion.
 

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