Like it or not, we are opening back up....

[BobbyV]

We do know that coronavirus can be spread by exhaling. But I haven't seen any real world testing that actually quantifies it. Laboratory testing under controlled circumstances there are plenty of. The case that really caught my attention happened in Mount Vernon, Washinton. Article attached.

56 choir members attended practice. Where they were singing, exhaling forcefully. 45 of those in attendance were diagnosed with Covid-19. At least 2 of them died. Tracing confirmed choir practice as the common denominator.

But how does that compare to walking down the aisle of a Walmart or watching your grandkids play at the park?

Just something to think about.


https://www.postregister.com/corona...cle_688594b9-3c5f-5697-a4c7-b1fa9c70a9a9.html

Interesting . . . social distancing didn't help them apparently. Having been in a few choirs I'd be surprised if a few folks weren't spitting while singing. Definitely needs more research though IMO.

Thanks.

As far as how choir practice in a confined space compares to walking down the aisle at Walmart or playing outside goes . . . I'm going to venture to guess that it probably doesn't.

 

[ignerntbend]

I never touted it as such. I was cautiously optimistic. Several people have recovered on it, and I know of two personally.

Now I know when you get all serious you've got a bit of a chip on your shoulder about this administration, so I assume you're referencing the latest "study" which is garbage.

Here's the fun part, Dr Raoult, the virologist that conducted a study examining 1000 patients showed on HCQ, showed no ill side effects and favorable results. He issued a pretty damning and reasonable response to the study.

https://techstartups.com/2020/04/22...nse-biases-study-critical-hydroxychloroquine/

Then there's the fact that it was given after patients were too far gone and on a vent. My wife has seen that here locally. Not that you care, but this is a zinc ionophore, it restricts the virus to binding to cell sites and will inhibit replication. If you are already at an extremely high viral load, and going through the "cytokine storm," this will be of little use. That is known.

Either way, the press won't care an Gilead is sitting back and laughing, I'm sure a resemdivir preliminary study will hit the presses soon. In which I'm hopeful that one works too, but since Orange Man Bad didn't say much about it, and Gilead is behind it, it will get a free pass at a much higher price.

So Raoult’s own work was debunked under peer review in the medical journal in which it was published and now he’s attacking other studies in an obscure investor’s publication. It sounds interesting to trump that we might consider injecting light inside the body. Or a disinfectant. We need to look into it. Maybe we could inject a disinfectant inside the body. The president has abandoned the miracle drug in favor of injecting light into the body. I hope no bad people make fun of him for that.

I’m waiting for an article in techstartups about injecting light and disinfectants into the body.
It might work.

 

[Rez Exelon]

I would look for that 5-6 who are risk out of that 100 and tell them to keep their ass at home

Okay, so how do you identify those at risk? Because reports are that everyone is at some degree of risk from the elderly and those with comorbid conditions to the young. And since there's evidence of long term neurological, joint and/or other damage I guess that effect middle age workers too.

Think about those that will die if our economy gets shot. Think of those who are already at risk for poor nutrition, those who were already struggling to pay their bills and buy groceries. But I guess they are worth less than those who are elderly or medically at risk right? Because right now that is exactly what you are saying

That sounds a whole lot like you're making a case for there to be a social safety net... Things like better food assistance, guaranteed income (or at least a higher minimum wage), better protections for small business and oversight for the mega corps.

Thinking out loud here but what would this crisis look like if those types of protections and programs were in place. That was part of my original question/post after all. Would the economic impact be as bad if our system was designed with more equity? Would it be as bad if laws were designed to help Tanis143 rather than Disney Corp?

 

[Aries]

Interesting . . . social distancing didn't help them apparently. Having been in a few choirs I'd be surprised if a few folks weren't spitting while singing. Definitely needs more research though IMO.

Thanks.

As far as how choir practice in a confined space compares to walking down the aisle at Walmart or playing outside goes . . . I'm going to venture to guess that it probably doesn't.

Back when I was singing in choirs and bands and stuff, they used to say... If you ain't spittin', you ain't really singin'.

 

[donner]

So "Safer at Home" isn't working?

do we know if they were actually staying home, though?

 

[dlbleak]

I’ve been texting a friend of mine. He’s a little older than me and does have some health issues as well as family history of heart attacks. He also doesn’t go to the doctor or take meds due to religious beliefs. His last text was simply ‘life vs economy’.

 

[donner]

I’ve been texting a friend of mine. He’s a little older than me and does have some health issues as well as family history of heart attacks. He also doesn’t go to the doctor or take meds due to religious beliefs. His last text was simply ‘life vs economy’.

did you point out to him that it isn't an 'either/or'?

 

[dlbleak]

did you point out to him that it isn't an 'either/or'?

Yes I did, he has time that he could use at work and our bosses are be lenient on PTO time. He will continue on as he has over the last few weeks until when or if he feels safe. It may be a while yet.

 

[Tanis143]

Okay, so how do you identify those at risk? Because reports are that everyone is at some degree of risk from the elderly and those with comorbid conditions to the young. And since there's evidence of long term neurological, joint and/or other damage I guess that effect middle age workers too.

No, reports are that a few people outside of those who are older or have underlying medical conditions have either died or experienced complications, but a vast majority of people who get covid19 do not need hospitalization and just experience flu like symptoms that clear up. This isn't a catch it and you either die or are forever scarred by it like polio.

That sounds a whole lot like you're making a case for there to be a social safety net... Things like better food assistance, guaranteed income (or at least a higher minimum wage), better protections for small business and oversight for the mega corps.

Thinking out loud here but what would this crisis look like if those types of protections and programs were in place. That was part of my original question/post after all. Would the economic impact be as bad if our system was designed with more equity? Would it be as bad if laws were designed to help Tanis143 rather than Disney Corp?

I'm sorry, but stop projecting your socialist views onto me. I was making the case that people need to be allowed to get back to work so they can provide for themselves and their families, not look for more government assistance. When you rely on the government, you only get what the government wants to give you.

 

[O4L]

Well I went and got my covid-cut. Looks alright except where they couldn't cut where the strings for the mask were tied around my head.