Images from Tulsa Courthouse Shooting

[Jefpainthorse]

If I shoot a non-threat, I'll deserve anything that happens as a result.

Just make sure your liability policy is paid up if you ever do.

BTW...just so we dont step on any toes... you ever been shot at?

 

[Glocktogo]

Every cop on the street hasn't shot an innocent bystander. I'm not saying they did a good or a bad job, I don't have all of the details. All I'm saying is anyone in a job that requires them toting around a gun needs to be sure of everything they do. This isn't any different than the cops that get an address wrong and execute a no-knock warrant at a wrong house.

It's a lot different. Active shooter threats are aggressively pursued and engaged until they're neutralized. The wounded civvie was inside another building. Had he been outside and in the line of fire, the deputies may have tried to get a better angle to shoot. One deputy was seriously wounded in the gunfight. You aren't always presented with a perfect firing solution. Sometimes you have to make a choice and go with it. When lead is flying, every second is a second closer to death. Anyone who would MMQB what happened is simply exercising their what-if mentality. This wasn't a mere what-if for those involved. To go on record slamming them because of the outcome is short sighted and narrow minded.

 

[Glocktogo]

Okay did they know what condition that the guys gun was in? Did they know it was almost empty, empty or if he had extra bullets/mags? A .22 is a dangerous round too, it gets in and bounces around and does alot of damage that way. The officers there did what they had to. I'm sure the deputy/officer that shot an innocent person feels like total crap about it. This has nothing to do with big government or slaves to the .gov type crap, when there is gunplay people are going to get hurt and it's not always the bad guy. This is nothing like the shooting at the snake in Noble where there was a complete disregard, this was an a guy popping off rounds in a public place. And I'm sure the next thing would be "well what if it was you or your kid" Well you know what it might be hard after the fact but I would realize that it was an accident and as long as the officer was doing his job and trying to take care of the threat that is already placing me or my kid in danger then I would have to accept it. And do you know who is to blame? No it's not the big bad officer, it's THE GUY WHO CAUSED THE PROBLEM. It's the shooters fault, I would think the officer was doing his best to take care of those around him and the unthinkable happened. I honestly feel for him as much as I do for the innocent bystander.

And I have to add, TSA is not law enforcement whatsoever. There's only one guy I know of at TSA that I would consider a LEO, the rest...are...well TSA.

You know Dave C.?

 

[1fast8]

it would be a lot easier to shoot those pesky bad guys if they didnt have guns. I know its NOWHERE near the same as paintball but i use to compete in paintball and saw a lot of ppl that shot very accurately UNTIL they were dodging paint coming the other way. I can imagine it is 1000 times worse when live rounds are coming at you.One more thing if you can safely try to run and shoot at a target try it sometime you will be amazed at how bad you shoot while trying to move if you are not trained

 

[bulbboy]

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Let's keep this thread open and not have anyone get in trouble

 

[ripnbst]

it would be a lot easier to shoot those pesky bad guys if they didnt have guns. I know its NOWHERE near the same as paintball but i use to compete in paintball and saw a lot of ppl that shot very accurately UNTIL they were dodging paint coming the other way. I can imagine it is 1000 times worse when live rounds are coming at you.One more thing if you can safely try to run and shoot at a target try it sometime you will be amazed at how bad you shoot while trying to move if you are not trained

OK, I know you acknowledged they aren't similar in any sense but for real? That's like saying "I don't mean to be a prick, but you're fat." Please do not compare playing paintball to a criminal/LEO trading of lead. Not even close to similar. I've played paintball probably 30 times. In no way do I feel that has even remotely prepared me for a real gun fight. Anyone who has played paintball knows paint doesn't fly straight, bullets more or less do. That in itself makes a huge difference. You know how much easier paintball would be if they could ever figure out how to get paint to fly straight?