My above post deals with face to face. You might also consider selling the gun on gunbroker.com. Without going into the specifics of pricing, reserve/no reserve, minimum starting price, etc, the advantage of gunbroker is that you can ship the gun through a local FFL. You can also specify the buyer pays all shipping/transfer fees. I like this method. There is a clear paper trail from where the gun originates all the way to where it's going. If there is ever an issue with what happens to the gun, you've got documentation showing that it left your possession.
My above post deals with face to face. You might also consider selling the gun on gunbroker.com. Without going into the specifics of pricing, reserve/no reserve, minimum starting price, etc, the advantage of gunbroker is that you can ship the gun through a local FFL. You can also specify the buyer pays all shipping/transfer fees. I like this method. There is a clear paper trail from where the gun originates all the way to where it's going. If there is ever an issue with what happens to the gun, you've got documentation showing that it left your possession.
Unless this "documentation" is notarized, it would not prove anything and is really unnecessary. There have been other threads on here where members were contacted be LE because a gun they sold was used in a crime (one was actually a murder). None remembered the details of the sale and it was non-issue as far as LE was concerned.
FFL has to keep them for 20 years. After that, the FFL may destroy them.
The 4473 do go to the BATFE if the dealer goes out of business.
If the firearm is registered wouldn't you have a title or form to prove you own the firearm? I sell a bunch of firearms and never once has a customer left with a title or form proving they own the firearm.
^^^^Ditto.
According to some guys here, we may as well have UBC already. I just don't see why you have the need to CYA if you have done nothing wrong or illegal.
So many people are worried about being hassled in the event a firearm they sell is eventually used in a crime. Here's my take on it.
Personally, I think this is eminently better than:
Now... I will stipulate that some people will tell you that even this amount of questioning is intrusive and you should not answer anything. Personally, if I know I've done nothing wrong, being polite and helpful in their efforts will do nothing but help exclude me as a suspect, and in general, it seems the odds are pretty astronomical that any crime committed in this fashion could by pure chance be tied to me individually in a way I was both implicated as a suspect in some way other than having once owned the firearm in question and had motive, opportunity and was at the same time unable to provide means to exclude myself as a suspect.
Pretty far-fetched, though not impossible.
Personally... I don't worry about it. I'd rather not be burdened with keeping any records, or have my information stored by an individual I don't know and who will do who knows what with my info.
Let's say you do keep those records as a seller... and over 10 years you've sold.... oh, let's say 25 firearms. If they come knocking and you pull out your file and you happen to have all of the records, except maybe that one your 2-y/o used for drawing paper, or the dog ate it, or it just plain disappeared. Then, it becomes a question of, "Sir, we see here that you have records of selling a number of your firearms, but this particular one is not in the stack. Can you explain why you are so motivated to keep such records, but the one particular one we're looking for isn't here?" Almost make for more suspicion.
It's all or none, I think... and for me, personally, it's none. Although, if you wish to do so, I support your right 100%.
Sell them on here. Then meet up and exchange guns and money. There is no need for a bill of sale.
I've done firearms business with OSA members through the classified and have always been totally satisfied. I bought one single action revolver off Armslist from a CAS shooter from Little Axe and it went fine. Looked into possible transactions a couple times on Armslist and just gave it up totally. Armslist is pretty much a cesspool as far asw I'm concerned - a few good people surrounded by crooks and incompetent sellers.
OSA is the way to go for buying/selling firearms & gear as far as I'm concerned. If someone wanted my to write them out a bill of sale for something I was selling I'd be fine with that. As a buyer - if terms of sale include my personal info, showing ID, etc. I will not participate. I think it is a great idea that people who feel differently include that info in their seller's post to avoid wasted time on the part of both parties.
Cedar Creek
OSA is the way to go for buying/selling firearms & gear as far as I'm concerned. If someone wanted my to write them out a bill of sale for something I was selling I'd be fine with that. As a buyer - if terms of sale include my personal info, showing ID, etc. I will not participate. I think it is a great idea that people who feel differently include that info in their seller's post to avoid wasted time on the part of both parties.
Cedar Creek
Dang Dude; no wonder I'm always so nervous
doing bidness with you! Here I am just trying to buy/sell or trade yet another gun/holster/or some ammo with you and your thinkin' about killin' me! Yikes!
Dang Dude; no wonder I'm always so nervous
Yeee...gads!!!! I missed that one.
(Note to self.....don't sell to Saddlebum. If he PM's, withdraw the ad.)
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