Here we go - Tulsa public schools to start review of school names..

[Ace_on_the_Turn]

Mohammad owned slaves so we should ban Islam and completely remove him and it from history

Only if you're planning on removing Christianity, which is rich with slave ownership history.

 

[deerwhacker444]

Now calls for the take down of the Teddy Roosevelt statue, outside the American Museum of Natural History

Liberals a bat-s##t crazy.

The people who vote are taking notice. 2018 Mid-terms will not be kind to the Left.

 

[donner]

You have shared some truths, but the issue is being exploited to further drive a wedge between Americans. To open wounds, not to heal them.

To condemn those that led on the rebel side is short-sighted. Much effort went into repairing the gap and reunifying the country. We should respect those efforts. Fear of respecting noble men on the wrong side of history, cheapens our heritage.

Exault the civil right leaders...absolutely. This is a better path than rewriting history. Put a monument up to Medgar Evers ...do not tear down Lee and Jackson. We have the space.

The premise that this erases or rewrites history is false, though. And many of these statues do not tell the history that happened, but the history people want to remember.

From a the editor of our local paper today:

Most of the South’s Confederate monuments were erected at the start of the 20th century, a time when false Lost Cause ideology had taken root as a way to rationalize the Southern fight and defeat. Oxford’s monuments were erected more than 40 years after the war, and it’s no accident they were placed in the city’s most symbolically powerful spots (at the center of campus and the center of town). Monuments were designed, constructed and dedicated with the purpose of eternally memorializing the Confederacy as a nation of heroism anchored to a noble fight for states’ rights—a country that wasn’t “defeated” by the American Union it sought to sever, but merely outmanned and overwhelmed.

Confederate statues don’t tell the story of the Civil War, but rather how people wanted the war to be remembered. It didn’t matter that the glossy narrative of the Confederacy’s fight for liberty stood in stark contrast to the words of its leaders who decades earlier clung to the preservation of slavery and economic prosperity as the primary cause of secession. Monuments served not only to freeze that sentiment but to establish Southern white supremacy as a distinct cultural force destined to rise again.

You can 'respect noble men on the wrong side of history' without venerating them. You don't need a statue or a school to remember Robert E Lee. He is in no danger of being forgotten.

 

[rc508pir]

Only if you're planning on removing Christianity, which is rich with slave ownership history.

Can you tell me when Christians owned slaves in the name of Christianity? Not some schmuck that claimed to be a Christian and owned slaves

 

[Ace_on_the_Turn]

Best quote I've seen on this subject, "only this country would be stupid enough to start a civil war over statues from the last civil war".

 

[Dale00]

The premise that this erases or rewrites history is false, though. And many of these statues do not tell the history that happened, but the history people want to remember.

You can 'respect noble men on the wrong side of history' without venerating them. You don't need a statue or a school to remember Robert E Lee. He is in no danger of being forgotten.

I think the nobility of Lee and Lincoln are in danger of being of being forgotten and replaced by the falsehood that protesting builds a nation rather than constructive effort.

Let a statue of Medgar Evers be erected directly across from Lee so that their gazes meet and people be provoked to think.

 

[deerwhacker444]

Let a statue of Medgar Evers be erected directly across from Lee so that their gazes meet and people be provoked to think.

I imagine 95% of people under the age of 30 have no idea who Medgar Evers is.

 

[donner]

I think the nobility of Lee and Lincoln are in danger of being of being forgotten and replaced by the falsehood that protesting builds a nation rather than constructive effort.

Let a statue of Medgar Evers be erected directly across from Lee so that their gazes meet and people be provoked to think.

Nice platitude, but still false. They aren't in danger of being forgotten.

And the idea of a rival monument is nice, but here is what keeps happening to some civil rights monuments down in Mississippi (this one to Emmett Till).

 

[Ace_on_the_Turn]

Can you tell me when Christians owned slaves in the name of Christianity? Not some schmuck that claimed to be a Christian and owned slaves

It's hard to believe this is a real post, and not just an outright troll (and I very rarely use that term).

Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery?

Protestant clergymen began to defend the institution, invoking a Christian hierarchy in which slaves were bound to obey their masters.

Baptist pastor Richard Fuller, for example, used the Bible to defend the institution of slavery...Fuller argued that slavery, in principle, is not sinful.

In this country, and many others in which slavery was practiced, Christianity and slavery went hand in hand.

 

[rc508pir]

It's hard to believe this is a real post, and not just an outright troll (and I very rarely use that term).

Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery?

Protestant clergymen began to defend the institution, invoking a Christian hierarchy in which slaves were bound to obey their masters.

Baptist pastor Richard Fuller, for example, used the Bible to defend the institution of slavery...Fuller argued that slavery, in principle, is not sinful.

In this country, and many others in which slavery was practiced, Christianity and slavery went hand in hand.

Troll? Really? Cant have a convo without resorting to name calling huh. That's ok. The internet is full of you guys and you're not worthy of my time