Constitutional carry- what’s different other than no permit?

[corneileous]

My opinion is that the bill was pushed through so quickly that these errors were made. In no way, shape, or form is that Constitutional Carry...there are simply too many restrictions as it's written. I keep having flashbacks to Pelosi saying, "You have to pass the bill to see what's in it!!"

While I applaud the work of Don Spencer and the OK2A association, I think it would do them well to consult with others that have been successful in passing legislation that isn't so damn confusing and restrictive.

I am still pretty new here and don't wish to ruffle too many feathers, so I will "pipe down now!" lest I not be a helpful member of this cause.

You’re probably right but I just looked at it like, there’s no way in hell they’re gonna let this come that easy. I figured there would be strings attached. If people want to still be able to do the things they could prior to November 1, they’re still gonna have to buy a damn permit.

Just like how when they passed the new law regarding alcohol- I’m not sure if this is a county-by-county thing but here why I live, they don’t allow alcohol sales in a restaurant anymore on Sundays. Used to, you go to a Chili’s or somethin’ with your buddy’s to watch a ball game and have a few drinks; now ya can’t. Why? Just because the beer’s a little bit stronger now? What, it means nothing that aside from the axe of 3.2 kiddie-beer, you could before, order a margarita or a rum and coke??....lol.


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[Rod Snell]

It’s really not even that. I realize we can’t control what other states require that we have reciprocity with but since Oklahoma let’s everyone else carry here for free without a permit, they could at least just convey the same liberty for the people who wish to travel armed outside the state. Who cares that some other states require us to have an Oklahoma permit- they don’t have to know that Oklahoma just gives us one.

THIS WOULD RESULT IN LOSING MOST OF THE STATES THAT NOW RECOGNIZE THE OKLAHOMA PERMIT. THEY WILL KNOW EVERY DETAIL OF THE OK PERMIT SYSTEM, AS THEY DO NOW.
I was involved in getting GA and WVA recognition, and our permit must meet THEIR standards for recognition, including details of training and background checks. About 18 states would probably recognize anything OK issues, most of the others require a background check.
Oklahoma can't tell other states they have to recognize our permits, and they can't sneak something by them. They read our laws and regulations. Wisconsin recently rescinded recognition of OK Carry Licenses.
As I always said in carry classes, when in other states, you have to follow their laws.

 

[corneileous]

THIS WOULD RESULT IN LOSING MOST OF THE STATES THAT NOW RECOGNIZE THE OKLAHOMA PERMIT. THEY WILL KNOW EVERY DETAIL OF THE OK PERMIT SYSTEM, AS THEY DO NOW.
I was involved in getting GA and WVA recognition, and our permit must meet THEIR standards for recognition, including details of training and background checks. About 18 states would probably recognize anything OK issues, most of the others require a background check.
Oklahoma can't tell other states they have to recognize our permits, and they can't sneak something by them. They read our laws and regulations. Wisconsin recently rescinded recognition of OK Carry Licenses.
As I always said in carry classes, when in other states, you have to follow their laws.

I know they can’t tell other states what to do and what not do. I already clarified that in a previous post of mine when I said that Oklahoma can’t control what other states do. I just simply stated that Oklahoma doesn’t have to completely jump through their hoops. But what difference does it make anyways, since I’ll bet you dollars to pesos that most people aren’t going to go though the whole permit process just to carry in a different state. They’ll either do it illegally or they won’t do it all. Just like how out of the whole entire population of Oklahoma, only a third of Oklahoma’s population actually had a permit. Once again, they were just either carrying illegally, hoping they never got caught, or just not carrying at all because they either couldn’t afford a permit, or just simply didn’t want to have to pay for their rights, so they just left their gun at home.

But where did you find out about Wisconsin recently cutting reciprocity agreements with us? And why did they do it? It can’t be because of our new, so-called constitutional carry because I’m pretty sure Wisconsin is one of the states that still requires us to maintain an Oklahoma permit if we choose to carry armed there.

But here’s another idea- ok, if Oklahoma wants to completely honor other state’s requirements, they can still mandate the SDA class and the background check but they damn sure don’t need to keep charging what they were for that permit.

Oklahoma lets legally qualified people to carry HERE free from charge so why can’t they convey that same respect for carrying to another state??


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[CHenry]

I am still pretty new here and don't wish to ruffle too many feathers, so I will "pipe down now!" lest I not be a helpful member of this cause.

I think you are being a helpfull member. in a sorta abrasive way and I recognize that because I can be abrasive too lol. I'm on a handfull of ignore lists but some people just wont like us no matter what.

 

[bigred1]

I think you are being a helpfull member. in a sorta abrasive way and I recognize that because I can be abrasive too lol. I'm on a handfull of ignore lists but some people just wont like us no matter what.

Heck, you fellas aren't abrasive. You want to talk about abrasive let's talk about my mother-in-law...

 

[CHenry]

let's talk about my mother-in-law...

Lets not LOL

 

[MacFromOK]

Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing, especially so with legal statutes.

Lol, indeed it is. Assuming one actually has it...

 

[corneileous]

But here’s another question, regarding carrying on your vehicle without a permit-

Did Oklahoma pretty much adopt the same regulation as Texas regarding vehicle carry? If I understand it right, anyone can carry a loaded gun in their in car in Texas as long as they are of a certain age, live in a state that has reciprocity with them and are legally able to carry a gun, as long as it stays outta sight and not on their person.


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[Aries]

I know they can’t tell other states what to do and what not do. I already clarified that in a previous post of mine when I said that Oklahoma can’t control what other states do. I just simply stated that Oklahoma doesn’t have to completely jump through their hoops. But what difference does it make anyways, since I’ll bet you dollars to pesos that most people aren’t going to go though the whole permit process just to carry in a different state. They’ll either do it illegally or they won’t do it all. Just like how out of the whole entire population of Oklahoma, only a third of Oklahoma’s population actually had a permit. Once again, they were just either carrying illegally, hoping they never got caught, or just not carrying at all because they either couldn’t afford a permit, or just simply didn’t want to have to pay for their rights, so they just left their gun at home.

But where did you find out about Wisconsin recently cutting reciprocity agreements with us? And why did they do it? It can’t be because of our new, so-called constitutional carry because I’m pretty sure Wisconsin is one of the states that still requires us to maintain an Oklahoma permit if we choose to carry armed there.

But here’s another idea- ok, if Oklahoma wants to completely honor other state’s requirements, they can still mandate the SDA class and the background check but they damn sure don’t need to keep charging what they were for that permit.

Oklahoma lets legally qualified people to carry HERE free from charge so why can’t they convey that same respect for carrying to another state??


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Mr. corneileous, I really am not sure what you're trying to say.

You say, "I know they can’t tell other states what to do and what not do."

But then you say, "I just simply stated that Oklahoma doesn’t have to completely jump through their hoops."

It's not a case of Oklahoma jumping through their hoops, although it MAY be a case of Oklahoma residents jumping through their hoops if you want to carry in their state. Oklahoma just passes its own laws, and other states decide whether to reciprocate based on THEIR laws. Do you mean the state of Oklahoma passing laws that will comply with other states laws so they'll reciprocate? If that's what you mean, then the reason Oklahoma has to jump through their hoops is because that is what you have to do to comply with their laws. They are the only one who pass their laws, and can decide if they want to reciprocate or not. Just the same as if Oklahoma decides not to reciprocate with a state that knowingly issues permits to terrorists, we can decide that and they have no say.

And you say, "Oklahoma lets legally qualified people to carry HERE free from charge so why can’t they convey that same respect for carrying to another state??"

Because again, Oklahoma cannot convey ANYTHING to any other state as far as who can carry in their state. If you are in their state, you legally carry according to their laws and Oklahoma has nothing to do with it.

But maybe I am still misunderstanding you. I'll admit, I'm a little confused.

 

[corneileous]

Mr. corneileous, I really am not sure what you're trying to say.

You say, "I know they can’t tell other states what to do and what not do."

But then you say, "I just simply stated that Oklahoma doesn’t have to completely jump through their hoops."

It's not a case of Oklahoma jumping through their hoops, although it MAY be a case of Oklahoma residents jumping through their hoops if you want to carry in their state. Oklahoma just passes its own laws, and other states decide whether to reciprocate based on THEIR laws. Do you mean the state of Oklahoma passing laws that will comply with other states laws so they'll reciprocate? If that's what you mean, then the reason Oklahoma has to jump through their hoops is because that is what you have to do to comply with their laws. They are the only one who pass their laws, and can decide if they want to reciprocate or not. Just the same as if Oklahoma decides not to reciprocate with a state that knowingly issues permits to terrorists, we can decide that and they have no say.

And you say, "Oklahoma lets legally qualified people to carry HERE free from charge so why can’t they convey that same respect for carrying to another state??"

Because again, Oklahoma cannot convey ANYTHING to any other state as far as who can carry in their state. If you are in their state, you legally carry according to their laws and Oklahoma has nothing to do with it.

But maybe I am still misunderstanding you. I'll admit, I'm a little confused.

Ok so, lemmie put it this away; does every or any state really give a damn if Oklahoma charges me for that permit that I need pretty much to carry in whatever other state? Seems to me like Oklahoma’s just using other states requirements to continue swindling money out of us just for the sake of carrying outside of Oklahoma’s borders to states that still make people pay for their rights.

Sorry if I confused you into leading you to believe I was thinking of certain ways around other states requirements, but I guess I do get it for the most part. Those states that require some form of training and a look into your background know that I’ve done that simply because I have a permit; but Oklahoma could ease up a lot on the cost since there’s gonna be a whole lot more people carrying here without a permit than with because it’s free and if that means leaving their gun at home if the state they’re traveling to is one that says just our state issued ID isn’t enough.


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